If Mort Divine ruled the world

[CiG]

 

[Bloopy]

The trap is that it shames men not into respecting women (most already do to varying degrees) but that it specifically shames men into supporting #MeToo which is an entirely different thing. It also implies that there is a #RapeCulture where a minority of men need to stand up to some evil imagined majority, when we all know that statistics show that rapists and harassers aren't representative of men. If they really had any balls or sense of scope they'd have made the advert specifically targeting wealthy men, men in power, men of privilege and riches, they'd have called out Hollywood for example.

But no, same old shit, they just smear regular men with the actions of rich animals with no sense of boundaries. Fuck the advert on every level.

#MeToo became something like a commercialised pop version of itself. The mention of it in the ad reminds me that all that shit behaviour exists, but doesn't compell me to bandwagon on internet hysteria. To me the ad is just a clumsy attempt at repeating some sentiment that was already on our plates. I figure men offended by the ad would also fail to empathise with what it's like to regularly face casual misogyny. They can't relate their own outrage to that of their so-called enemy, let alone comprehend the cause and effect of their own country's culture and actions.

Advertising is rock bottom at the best of times though. Weasel words and off-target flashy bullshit with no substance. One I laughed at was this Ford Ranger ad which was banned in Australia. I couldn't care less about its fate. Anyone swayed into purchasing by such a ridiculous ad has already huffed gas beyond the point of no return.

 

[Einherjar86]

What makes you a privileged white guy?

Primarily my class and opportunities, but also my skin color.

To give an example of what I mean by not taking offense due to privilege:

As a white guy, I'm not part of a demographic that has historically been regarded with suspicion when it comes to sexual crime. When black men see an ad associating them with rape, it's possible it registers a long history of general suspicion toward black males, from the Scottsboro Boys to Katie Robb's false accusation in 2001. We think we've come a long way, but the truth is that a lot of black men live under constant threat, in the back of their minds, of being accused of a violent or sex crime.

I consider it a privilege that I haven't had to live under that threat; and for that reason, I don't see the ad as personally offensive or accusatory.

And I'm also fully aware of how this racial concern complicates concerns over women's rights and the #MeToo movement. These social issues aren't always compatible, and we need to be sensitive and thoughtful about who's affected by certain narratives.

 

[The Ozzman]

What makes you a privileged white guy?

His professors telling him he is

 

[CiG]

#MeToo became something like a commercialised pop version of itself. The mention of it in the ad reminds me that all that shit behaviour exists, but doesn't compell me to bandwagon on internet hysteria. To me the ad is just a clumsy attempt at repeating some sentiment that was already on our plates. I figure men offended by the ad would also fail to empathise with what it's like to regularly face casual misogyny. They can't relate their own outrage to that of their so-called enemy, let alone comprehend the cause and effect of their own country's culture and actions.

The advert repeats the "boys will be boys" narrative which implies that what it means to be a boy is to be a violent rapist or something. That advert is an example of casual misandry.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Primarily my class and opportunities, but also my skin color.

To give an example of what I mean by not taking offense due to privilege:

As a white guy, I'm not part of a demographic that has historically been regarded with suspicion when it comes to sexual crime. When black men see an ad associating them with rape, it's possible it registers a long history of general suspicion toward black males, from the Scottsboro Boys to Katie Robb's false accusation in 2001. We think we've come a long way, but the truth is that a lot of black men live under constant threat, in the back of their minds, of being accused of a violent or sex crime.

I consider it a privilege that I haven't had to live under that threat; and for that reason, I don't see the ad as personally offensive or accusatory.

And I'm also fully aware of how this racial concern complicates concerns over women's rights and the #MeToo movement. These social issues aren't always compatible, and we need to be sensitive and thoughtful about who's affected by certain narratives.

lmao, those are surely the only cases where men were falsely accused of rape.

EDIT: How did you even decide to cherry-pick that obscure Katie Robb case?

Katie Robb, 19, 4912 Mortensen Road #101, told DPS on Aug. 28 that she was kidnapped from one of the busiest areas on campus. She said a group of black males then took her to a wooded area where they raped her.

The next day, Robb, sophomore in journalism and mass communication, told DPS officials she fabricated the allegations. No date for a disciplinary hearing is set for student conduct code violation, said Dean of Students Pete Englin.

That's the most benign false rape story I've ever heard. It's not even an accusation being that apparently no men were named.

 

[Einherjar86]

lmao, those are surely the only cases where men were falsely accused of rape.

EDIT: How did you even decide to cherry-pick that obscure Katie Robb case?

The purpose was for historical breadth--notice I said "from the Scottsboro Boys to Katie Robb." That's 1931 to 2001. I was implying that there's little reason for black men today to not feel under threat of accusation.

They're definitely not the only cases where men were falsely accused of rape; there have been countless accusations before, between, and after those dates. Are white men accused and guilty of rape? Absolutely--so are black men.

The point is that there's an explicit and material cultural history by which black men have served as scapegoats for white irresponsibility and mistrust. I'm not making it up. There's never been a cultural narrative that "all white men are rapists" (and the Gillette commercial isn't promoting such a narrative). There has, by contrast, been a cultural narrative that all black men are rapists.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

You must have missed my edit:

That's the most benign false rape story I've ever heard. It's not even an accusation being that apparently no men were named.

 

[CiG]

There's never been a cultural narrative that "all white men are rapists" (and the Gillette commercial isn't promoting such a narrative).

Nobody said the Gillette advert was racial, just sexist.

 

[rms]

you could, a black man intervenes twice to stop whitey,which I would argue was intended.

 

[Einherjar86]

You must have missed my edit:

I'm not sure I follow. No black men were named... by Robb? Of course not. It was a false accusation to begin with, so why would she have a name? All she said was that she was raped by unknown black assailants.

No names were mentioned in any news reports because there were no identifiable aggressors.

Maybe I'm not understand why that's important. Historically speaking, if a white woman accused a black man of rape, she didn't need to name the black man. The lynch mob would just find the most suitable scapegoat for the accusation.

Nobody said the Gillette advert was racial, just sexist.

I didn't mean to imply that anyone said that.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm not sure I follow. No black men were named... by Robb? Of course not. It was a false accusation to begin with, so why would she have a name? All she said was that she was raped by unknown black assailants.

No names were mentioned in any news reports because there were no identifiable aggressors.

Maybe I'm not understand why that's important. Historically speaking, if a white woman accused a black man of rape, she didn't need to name the black man. The lynch mob would just find the most suitable scapegoat for the accusation.

Once again your literacy is unparalleled.

accusation noun
ac·cu·sa·tion | \ ˌa-kyə-ˈzā-shən,
-(ˌ)kyü-\
Definition of accusation

1 : a charge of wrongdoing The evidence confirms the accusations made against him. She denied the accusation.
2 : the act of accusing someone : the state or fact of being accused

It's not an accusation without an accused, it's simply a story. Your claim that lynch mobs always just grabbed the first black man in the vicinity is both baseless (usually it was a specific accusation, and when not, the mob would often bring the black man before the claimed victim first to "verify" the identity) and irrelevant (this was 2001, not 1901).

 

[Einherjar86]

Once again your literacy is unparalleled.

It's not an accusation without an accused, it's simply a story. Your claim that lynch mobs always just grabbed the first black man in the vicinity is both baseless (usually it was a specific accusation, and when not, the mob would often bring the black man before the claimed victim first to "verify" the identity) and irrelevant (this was 2001, not 1901).

If the word "accuse" is such a sticking point for you, then replace it with something else. A white woman claimed that four black men raped her. A white woman filed a report that four black men raped her.

Be a fucking adult.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Yes, and big fucking whoop, an accusation where no one was accused of anything, no victims were hurt, and the criminal was charged for their crime.

 

[Einherjar86]

Big fucking whoop, you're still a robot.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Big fucking whoop, you're still a robot.

In what sense?

 

[Einherjar86]

You incapacity to see the Robb incident as part of a historical narrative. Talk about illiteracy.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

You incapacity to see the Robb incident as part of a historical narrative. Talk about illiteracy.

Narratives are stories, which is precisely how I framed that incident. Your ignorance of the historical narrative which also includes whites being falsely accused of sexual violence shows that you are telling a fiction, your particular field of expertise, not a history.

 

[Einherjar86]

Histories are stories.

They come from the same root, historia, which can mean "narrative." Furthermore, history has meant simply "story" at certain times in the English language.

All histories are narratives we tell ourselves (personally, socially, culturally, etc.). The point is to study those histories and determine their validity, ideological values, and exclusivity.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I understood your use of the word 'historical' to mean vigorous study of history for the purpose of attaining greater objective understanding, not any random story that some academic pseud invents to promote their post-Marxist politics. My mistake for assuming too much out of you.