If Mort Divine ruled the world

[Einherjar86]

Replace "women" with "men" and let the quote be from a man. Riots in the streets.

That has been said by men. Countless times. We're all still here.

 

[rms]

If you're interested, Quanta recently published an interview with a mathematics scholar on this issue:

https://www.quantamagazine.org/caro...g-a-network-of-women-in-mathematics-20190122/

sort of with Dak, you gotta admit this is a goofy ass quote:

Maybe if there were more women in math, the environment would be more friendly. It’s not necessarily that I felt any aggressiveness or prejudice, but to my sensibility it was just an unfriendly environment.

There’s wild competition, harassment, implicit and explicit bias, and we have to prove ourselves all the time.

What is wrong with these people (academics more than women are the "people" here)? They willing fully enter a subjective and competitive field and then are surprised and upset about it?

I guess it would be interesting to read about these Chilean group of math ladies, but I always fear it's the same retorts.

 

[CiG]

Trump administration launches global effort to end criminalization of homosexuality.
The administration is responding in part to a reported hanging of a young gay man in Iran, Trump’s top geopolitical foe.

The Trump administration is launching a global campaign to end the criminalization of homosexuality in dozens of nations where it's still illegal to be gay, U.S. officials tell NBC News, a bid aimed in part at denouncing Iran over its human rights record.

U.S. Ambassador to Germany Richard Grenell, the highest-profile openly gay person in the Trump administration, is leading the effort, which kicks off Tuesday evening in Berlin. The U.S. embassy is flying in LGBT activists from across Europe for a strategy dinner to plan to push for decriminalization in places that still outlaw homosexuality — mostly concentrated in the Middle East, Africa and the Caribbean.

Lol? Progressive imperialism?

 

[Dak]

That has been said by men. Countless times. We're all still here.

High bar you've set. It has been said by men countless times, but now it's "problematic." "Male only spaces perpetuate rape culture."

 

[Einherjar86]

High bar you've set. It has been said by men countless times, but now it's "problematic." "Male only spaces perpetuate rape culture."

That's not at all what the article I posted said. All it says is that men already have their "only spaces." Which is perfectly accurate.

 

[CiG]

Men have The Boy Scouts for example. Oh wait.

 

[Einherjar86]

 

[Einherjar86]

Men have The Boy Scouts for example. Oh wait.

For the record:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampden–Sydney_College

There are other "men's colleges" in America. There are more "women's colleges" (several of which actually accept male students), but only after enrollment at American universities of overwhelmingly male.

It's a myth that there are no "men's spaces" in this country.

 

[Dak]

That's not at all what the article I posted said. All it says is that men already have their "only spaces." Which is perfectly accurate.

For the record:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampden–Sydney_College

There are other "men's colleges" in America. There are more "women's colleges" (several of which actually accept male students), but only after enrollment at American universities of overwhelmingly male.

It's a myth that there are no "men's spaces" in this country.

There's a difference between saying male only spaces exist and saying they should exist and have value.

Edit: Wait what? Male undergraduate enrollment is behind female enrollment and falling

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/08/why-men-are-the-new-college-minority/536103/

 

[CiG]

For the record:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampden–Sydney_College

There are other "men's colleges" in America. There are more "women's colleges" (several of which actually accept male students), but only after enrollment at American universities of overwhelmingly male.

It's a myth that there are no "men's spaces" in this country.

Can't wait for transgenderism to obliterate this gender segregation nonsense on both sides. As is the case with so much of what western feminists make an issue out of, most "male only" spaces are for wealthy men. Feminists are pathologically obsessed with power while they pretend that their targets represent "men" as a monolith when in fact the paradigm of class always makes much more sense, I think.

If women want to squeeze their way into some golf club or fraternity of rich men why should I give a shit? The cream of male society has about as much to do with me as the issues facing the homeless have to do with the scourge of mansplaining.

And like you said, there are more women's universities anyway. Selective outrage.

 

[Einherjar86]

There's a difference between saying male only spaces exist and saying they should exist and have value.

They do exist, and they do have value. Not even the female mathematician from the article I linked said they don't. The point is they simply have existed for a long time. There was no need to designate them. Men's spaces exist all over the place--sports teams, social clubs, boys' schools, and countless other nonspecified communities. Your objection is unnecessary.

 

[rms]

That's not at all what the article I posted said. All it says is that men already have their "only spaces." Which is perfectly accurate.

this is dishonest. She's suggesting there are male spaces simply because women aren't around, not that they've systematically not been allowed.

 

[Einherjar86]

this is dishonest. She's suggesting there are male spaces simply because women aren't around, not that they've systematically not been allowed.

It's not dishonest. I never said she was suggesting otherwise.

 

[rms]

Women have spaces that specifically say no men. Men do not have this, and if they do, that barrier is removed. That is the dishonesty

 

[Einherjar86]

Women have spaces that specifically say no men. Men do not have this, and if they do, that barrier is removed. That is the dishonesty

A)

For the record:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hampden–Sydney_College

B)

You’re the one who posted a link about “structural” problems. Do you understand what that means?

 

[rms]

One of three fucking colleges that no one ever heard of until today . It's impossible to reason with you about women. you already ignored the "women join a subjective field then complain about bias" point so I don't know why I bothered.

 

[Dak]

They do exist, and they do have value. Not even the female mathematician from the article I linked said they don't. The point is they simply have existed for a long time. There was no need to designate them. Men's spaces exist all over the place--sports teams, social clubs, boys' schools, and countless other nonspecified communities. Your objection is unnecessary.

A. You're arguing there technically are male spaces.
B. You're arguing she didn't say there weren't.
C. We aren't arguing about that.

 

[Einherjar86]

One of three fucking colleges that no one ever heard of until today . It's impossible to reason with you about women. you already ignored the "women join a subjective field then complain about bias" point so I don't know why I bothered.

Yeah I almost considered that worth responding to, then realized that no, I don’t.

 

[Einherjar86]

A. You're arguing there technically are male spaces.
B. You're arguing she didn't say there weren't.
C. We aren't arguing about that.

D. You’re making consecutively less sense.

 

[Dak]

D. You’re making consecutively less sense.

rms posted an article about US STEM workers, which showed that women in STEM fields were more likely to curtail involvement or drop from the workforce entirely than men, after having a first child (it also showed approximately the same percentage of both men and women leaving the STEM field). You followed up with an article on a Brazilian mathematician who thinks men are intimidating and wants to create safe spaces for women in mathematics. The article was barely relevant (different country, different statistics), but the sentiment in the article was what rms and I responded to. This sentiment is consistent with feminist propaganda and tactics, which is that men are a problem and must be attacked in every clime and place. Males only spaces are particularly problematic (this is the rationale for the current suit at Yale). But conversely, women need "safe spaces" to enhance their energies, or whatever pseudo-psychobabble or new agey bullshit that needs promoting, depending on the flavor of the feminist.

Male only spaces have been under attack for at least the past five decades, and men have been doing more poorly than women in nearly every economic and educational metric for the past decade plus (in the US), and the gap continues to widen. So some pardon us as we take issue with some solipsistic lamentations from Brazil.