If Mort Divine ruled the world

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Einherjar86 said:
I'm sure that Dak will say that psychology's role is to provide all its subjects with the best tools possible to overcome their social position, if that is indeed contributing to poor mental health. Unfortunately, this fails to consider just how much our classifications of mental health are dictated not by actual processes in the brain, but by cultural values. When this happens, we tend to overemphasize psychological methods of treatment rather than large-scale approaches.
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I want to point out that environmental (broadly, to include culture) factors are considered significant in the current etiological models for nearly every mental health problem.

Large scale changes have so many differentiated effects and it's difficult to both do and to estimate the outcome or even measure it afterwards. It is much easier to treat *certain* issues on the individual level.
 
https://psmag.com/we-aren-t-the-world-535ec03f2d45#.nvjo1vev8

I think @Einherjer would agree with a bunch of this, but the implications are that things like immigration are a problem for the very reasons the right is concerned with. It's also a problem for "spreading democracy".

The applications of this new way of looking at the human mind are still in the offing. Henrich suggests that his research about fairness might first be applied to anyone working in international relations or development. People are not “plug and play,” as he puts it, and you cannot expect to drop a Western court system or form of government into another culture and expect it to work as it does back home.
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And the reverse is also true. You can't simply drop a person from another culture in and expect them to simply conform. And the more people dropped in from a different culture the less likely conformity will occur. If you visit many places in the Southwest you'll find areas that are almost indistinguishable from Mexico.
 
to the excerpt, I can't tell if he means that the court system will not adapt to the new placement or if he means it will not function at all.
 
https://judithcurry.com/2017/02/04/climate-scientists-versus-climate-data/

The most serious example of a climate scientist not archiving or documenting a critical climate dataset was the study of Tom Karl et al. 2015 (hereafter referred to as the Karl study or K15), purporting to show no ‘hiatus’ in global warming in the 2000s (Federal scientists say there never was any global warming “pause”). The study drew criticism from other climate scientists, who disagreed with K15’s conclusion about the ‘hiatus.’ (Making sense of the early-2000s warming slowdown). The paper also drew the attention of the Chairman of the House Science Committee, Representative Lamar Smith, who questioned the timing of the report, which was issued just prior to the Obama Administration’s Clean Power Plan submission to the Paris Climate Conference in 2015.
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But nary a peep from the media.
 
Einherjar86 said:
Because the general media doesn't report on isolated, singular voices from the fringe commenting on perceived lapses in data gathering. There's no story here, there's one scientist's opinion.
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He's not on "the fringe", he worked for NOAA for over 20 years, nearly half of the time in a supervisory position. Was even given an award.

http://sites.agu.org/leadership/leader/john-bates-2/

Meteorologist NOAA Boulder Climate Diagnostics Center (1988-1999),
Meteorologist NOAA Boulder Environmental Technology Laboratory (1999-2002)
Supervisory Meteorologist NOAA National Climatic Data Center (2002-2012)

NOAA Administrator’s Award 2004 for “outstanding administration and leadership in developing a new division to meet the challenges to NOAA in the area of climate applications related to remotely sensed data”
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Edit: I'm pretty sure Dr. Bates isn't a "climate skeptic" or whatever. The point is that the institutions tasked with providing good data and analytics are not following the procedures put into place to ensure veracity, and apparently at least to a degree for political reasons.

Edit2: So someone is covering it, wonder if this will hit US headlines on Monday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...rs-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html
 
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rms said:
the data and the projections have been off for decades now

bleh
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Yea, pretty much. I remember taking an ecology class during my undergrad years where my professor would show graphs upon graphs showing predictions of dramatic climate change with respect to carbon emissions, ocean temps, ozone depletion, and other various factors and it seemed as though doomsday was rapidly approaching. Major changes would already have been noticeable to everyone by 2015, changes which in hindsight havent nearly occurred. I wasnt even the slightest bit skeptical of the data at the time, and was so compelled by the charts that I thought that anyone who denied the extremity of man-made climate change was a fool equivalent to evolution deniers, those who believe in a literal Noah's arc, UFO nutcases, etc.

It was only later that I dug a little deeper and realized how inaccurate the predictions have been, and how they keep changing as the years tick by and the past predictions prove to be exaggerated and unfounded. I think it would be foolish to completely deny the negative effects that mankind is having on the environment and earth's atmosphere, but I am definitely skeptical of the conclusions and extrapolations agreed upon by the scientific majority. It seems to me that the majority of the scientists have a case of the observer-expectancy effect, something that I have seen with frequency in my experience as a scientist in other fields (influenced sometimes by the necessity of funding). Most of these climate change scientists are environmentalists who have a vested interest in over-estimating mankind's effect on the planet. Scientists with findings and theories that are contrary to popular consensus are usually ostracized and discredited in all fields of science. I suspect that not all of this data is gathered honestly.

As far as where the truth closest lies, I dont know. What I do know is that given their past inaccuracies, I do not trust the majority consensus. The data shows temperature increases, damage to the ozone, and increased concentrations of CO2, but the real world effect over time is smaller than is claimed should be. The general public seems to put too much trust in the tenuous theories derived from this scientific data, that much is clear to me. Climate scientists seem to be quite the rotten bunch.
 
I read a rebuttal of the Daily Mail article, but of course both the article and the rebuttal focused on the report rather than the process, which is what the whistleblowing is about. And this is why we can't have nice things.
 
Dak said:
https://psmag.com/we-aren-t-the-world-535ec03f2d45#.nvjo1vev8
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This is excellent. I couldn't read the whole thing very closely, so I'm not clear on all the research. Overall parts of it really seem like a long time coming, such as this comment:

And here is the rub: the culturally shaped analytic/individualistic mind-sets may partly explain why Western researchers have so dramatically failed to take into account the interplay between culture and cognition.
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It's one of the most obvious things in the world, to me, to say that culture shapes cognition, and vice versa. Crazy how old-fashioned notions of the organism/environment distinction still manage to creep in and unconsciously direct our assumptions.

Dak said:
I think @Einherjer would agree with a bunch of this, but the implications are that things like immigration are a problem for the very reasons the right is concerned with. It's also a problem for "spreading democracy".

And the reverse is also true. You can't simply drop a person from another culture in and expect them to simply conform. And the more people dropped in from a different culture the less likely conformity will occur. If you visit many places in the Southwest you'll find areas that are almost indistinguishable from Mexico.
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I don't think we should drop people into new cultures and expect them to conform. This doesn't mean we can't offer assistance with acclimation, and I don't think it's an argument against cultural diversity or immigration.
 
Friend I actually respect shared this. Just, ugh. I asked him if he really believed it and he basically told me he barely knew who Milo is and hadn't ever watched any of his videos.

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I'm not even a fan of Milo much anymore (the gimmick wore off quick for me, meme/pop culture annoying bullshit) but God damn.
 
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