If Mort Divine ruled the world

[rms]

maybe he was bored, maybe he wanted to prove a point about the problematic students and weak universities. I get that it's not professional or hastily written, but that complaint shouldn't even be addressed until we all acknowledge how ridiculous the response of the students and the university was. I actually thought it was fake until you cited that other piece. But I do enjoy watching you go day by day realizing how damaging the left is

 

[Einherjar86]

I'm self-conscious and self-critical. It has nothing to do with realizing "how damaging the left is," as though my head's been under a rock and now I'm "woke."

I think it's ridiculous how much the right absolutely milks stories like this for all they're worth and promotes nonstop nonsense about the academic left being a PC, safe space, snowflake-y, self-destructive socialism machine. That kind of bullshit does more damage than a few fringe cases of universities censuring faculty for publishing poorly-conceived exam questions.

If I think aspects of left-wing thought are damaging, it doesn't compare to the amount of right-wing bullshit I find damaging/disturbing.

 

[rms]

If I think aspects of left-wing thought are damaging, it doesn't compare to the amount of right-wing bullshit I find damaging/disturbing.

that's the problem, the most upset you've been was the Hypatia piece. But you posted some racist Canadian asking for a white doctor and not an Indian one or whatever and act like that's as damaging as what the left does. I thought you were realizing you underestimated the veracity of the leftist college movement, but maybe not

 

[Einherjar86]

I thought you were realizing you underestimated the veracity of the leftist college movement, but maybe not

Either you mean "overestimated," or you meant something other than "veracity." Regardless, I don't measure my disagreement with certain leftist antics by how much you enjoy it.

 

[CiG]

How many examples of insanity need to come out of the education system before you connect the dots and admit it is a problem and not just a series of over-exaggerated isolated incidents?

There's only so many dots that can form on the page before they connect and make a picture.

 

[Einherjar86]

How many examples of sexual harassment in the workplace, or police shootings need to occur before you connect the fucking dots?

Why is higher education the only problem here?

 

[Dak]

The problem with harassment is it's only known after it's occurred. That's completely different from rape (unless you believe in regret rape). Police shootings aren't all problematic either, many more shades of grey than "muh safe space" in what are supposed to be institutions which inherently strip mental comfort.

 

[CiG]

Spurious comparison.

That said, seems to me that society is trying to address police shootings and rape. I don't see you making arguments against those things being addressed.

 

[Einherjar86]

Yeah, society is. But you guys all keep calling bullshit.

For what it's worth, I actually said that universities might overreact, and that the safe space fad is counterproductive. But I'm not going to say there's a problem in academia and simultaneously say there's no problem of police shootings or sexual misconduct.

 

[CiG]

When have I ever called bullshit on workplace sexual harassment or police shootings?

I've only ever disagreed with the idea that it is race-based in the latter.

But I'm not going to say there's a problem in academia and simultaneously say there's no problem of police shootings or sexual misconduct.

You're looking at 3 areas with perpetually materializing problems and only saying there is a problem with 2 of the 3?

 

[Dak]

Unfortunately all our disagreements basically boil down to interplays between our genes and environments, while the problems which we disagree on boil down mostly to genetics, and the former persons can't understand how our privileges can't affect the latter persons and situations, and so the top 30% keep arguing about a bottom 70% which is happy to drink and smoke and watch itself into oblivion as long as the top 30% (or top .01% of AI/robots) is happy to support their intelligent-mind-numbing behaviors.

 

[CiG]

Laci Green in the question and answer period talks about her negative experiences on campuses and how she's worried about what is happening.



After all, she is a raging conservative.

 

[Einherjar86]

Haha, oh man frustrated drunk posting...

You're looking at 3 areas with perpetually materializing problems and only saying there is a problem with 2 of the 3?

I would say all three are a problem. I was only implying that I won't say academia has a problem while ignoring these other issues that I find as disturbing (if not more).

Unfortunately all our disagreements basically boil down to interplays between our genes and environments, while the problems which we disagree on boil down mostly to genetics, and the former persons can't understand how our privileges can't affect the latter persons and situations, and so the top 30% keep arguing about a bottom 70% which is happy to drink and smoke and watch itself into oblivion as long as the top 30% (or top .01% of AI/robots) is happy to support their intelligent-mind-numbing behaviors.

I'm not sure I follow this, but if it's a comment on my not understanding the poor then I admit that I probably don't. But I'm not sure how that's really relevant to anything discussed above...?

This discussion really shouldn't have gone this far. All I was saying earlier to rms was that I'm not realizing or becoming enlightened on how damaging "the left" is. I think it's pretty ridiculous to think about it in those terms, actually, since I also think "the right" is damaging too. It all just spins around and gets fucked into absurdities and I get annoyed by the grandstanding that comes from everywhere. But I'm not afraid to call out leftist bullshit, I'm simply intent on pointing out that in almost every single case of leftist-bashing on this board, there are elements of the scenario that go unnoticed or are left unattended. And I think it's important to underscore them.

You guys will probably disagree with my emphasis/perspectives, and because of them I'll keep being the black sheep leftist sympathizer

 

[rms]

Laci Green in the question and answer period talks about her negative experiences on campuses and how she's worried about what is happening.

I really dislike the "well I got some dick finally so let me change my entire world view" thang

But I'm not afraid to call out leftist bullshit

yeah, that's why you passively played it off while switching the topic to sexual harassment and police violence. such a bullshitter sometimes

there are elements of the scenario that go unnoticed or are left unattended. And I think it's important to underscore them.

except there wasn't here, and when you finally realized in your drunken furor, you switched the topic entirely.

and, I posted a tweet about police violence that was ignored. So, if you really wanted to confront us on police violence, could have started it there. I think that tweet highlights a rather large issue within the community.

Interestingly enough, I imagine this 'story' got little national attention:

http://www.tmz.com/2017/07/12/adolphus-washington-arrest-video-gun-water-park/

 

[Einherjar86]

yeah, that's why you passively played it off while switching the topic to sexual harassment and police violence. such a bullshitter sometimes

You're such an idiot sometimes.

except there wasn't here, and when you finally realized in your drunken furor, you switched the topic entirely.

Yes there was, and I already went over it.

You can't really absorb information, so it's not worth arguing with you.

 

[Dak]

I'm not sure I follow this, but if it's a comment on my not understanding the poor then I admit that I probably don't. But I'm not sure how that's really relevant to anything discussed above...?

My overarching point was just that we can argue all day long about "what needs to be done about the problems of these people" when they mostly don't give a shit, and that the whys of the left-right disagreements and the whys of at least half of the population not caring about the details of their problems probably aren't "fixable".

 

[rms]

Yes there was, and I already went over it.

your citation added nothing to the convo. The question from the prof was in the dailymail piece, we could already formulate the argument that his question wasn't as good as it should be. You added nothing, the position didn't change and you decided to move on to the 'right' because of it. You do this with the 'overall' left, minorities and probably women. it's really peculiar.

You can't really absorb information, so it's not worth arguing with you.

out of all the legitimate problems I have, this might be the worst to try and 'call me out' on

 

[Dak]

Don't let all of this distract you from the fact that there was no foul play whatsoever.

 

[Einherjar86]

your citation added nothing to the convo. The question from the prof was in the dailymail piece, we could already formulate the argument that his question wasn't as good as it should be. You added nothing, the position didn't change and you decided to move on to the 'right' because of it. You do this with the 'overall' left, minorities and probably women. it's really peculiar.

out of all the legitimate problems I have, this might be the worst to try and 'call me out' on

I was just pointing out one component of the situation that no one else was commenting on. That seems like adding something to me.

And you're right on the second point. Someone really needs to call you out on your bad writing.

 

[rms]

if only I spent my entire 20s coddled in academics