If Mort Divine ruled the world

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Whoever was in the convo with Omni was being manipulated so hard embarrassing

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

 

[Einherjar86]

What's neutral attire for baseball caps? Sports teams? Energy drink logos?

Why should they expect a dialogue for wearing those hats? And specifically, what is it about those hats that invokes a dialogue, particularly in the context of Native Americans? At what distance were they supposed to realize that Native Americans were approaching and replace their hatwear?

If you really want to get into it, nothing's neutral. But people are far less likely to react to an energy drink logo than a MAGA hat. Wearing a hat that says "Make America Great Again" is analogous to walking around with a sign that says "god hates fags" or "eat the rich." It places the wearer within a political dialogue, and the wearer almost certainly knows that (or should know it).

Did the man that played his drum in the face of that kid not initiate the specific confrontation that the media widely reported on?

The "specific confrontation" you're speaking of doesn't make any sense unless you situate it in context. Nobody was blameless, and everybody had some part to play in what ensued.

First it was the photo and severely edited video; then it was the longer videos. The longer videos don't have the effect of reversing blame or responsibility, they simply inform that (and maybe how) it should be redistributed.

Those kids were out of their depth, for sure; and a lot of them, if not all of them, probably didn't understand the full weight of what was going on around them. But this is how they learn. Unfortunately, the far-right and their fucking bible-thumping parents are trying to make sure they don't learn anything. Sad.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

says "Make America Great Again" is analogous to walking around with a sign that says "god hates fags" or "eat the rich."

it's funny how blinded you are. Do you also think Bill Clinton hated fags and wanted to eat the rich?

 

[Einherjar86]

it's funny how blinded you are. Do you also think Bill Clinton hated fags and wanted to eat the rich?

That's not what I said. I can give you a rhetorical lesson on analogies if you'd like, but I'm surprised your online IQ tests didn't cover it.

Oh, snap!

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

That's not what I said. I can give you a rhetorical lesson on analogies if you'd like.

"its not what i said, its what i said it was equivalent/comparable to" O OKAY

you reek of leftist bias with every single one of your post and have the mental capacity of a sheep.

 

[Einherjar86]

 

[Dak]

a lot of them, if not all of them, probably didn't understand the full weight of what was going on around them. But this is how they learn. Unfortunately, the far-right and their fucking bible-thumping parents are trying to make sure they don't learn anything. Sad.

The only "weight" to the situation was provided by a carefully edited video clip on social media and uncritical credulity and subsequent illinformed TDS-based outrage . The weight is a figment of derangement. It's not that they aren't or don't need to learn anything, on the contrary, they need to learn the levels of hysteria the delusional are capable of, and they don't need their parents for that.

 

[Phylactery]

Whether you agree with his opinions or not, Ein’s arguments are generally carefully considered, well structured and coherent. He also rarely resorts to personal attacks and insults unless provoked.

He’s clearly a well-read individual and as such, I find his points more worthy of consideration than some purely reactionary response.

Perhaps I’m wrong, though, because I generally avoid this thread. Due to it being a cesspool of opinions I find offensive and archaic. So I haven’t read too many of his debates.

I’ll probably be told told to just get off his nuts for this, but whatever.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

lmfao, yea his arguments are so very well thought out.

And you on the other hand can suck my dick for trying to take shots at me now in your usual passive aggressive manner.

 

[Einherjar86]

The only "weight" to the situation was provided by a carefully edited video clip on social media and uncritical credulity and subsequent illinformed TDS-based outrage . The weight is a figment of derangement. It's not that they aren't or don't need to learn anything, on the contrary, they need to learn the levels of hysteria the delusional are capable of, and they don't need their parents for that.

I guarantee they're learning outrage... from their outraged parents. And from the Twitterati too, I'm sure.

It probably wouldn't have been an issue had it not been for media misrepresentation. But now it is an issue, and they were part of the equation. The unedited videos don't absolve the students of all responsibility in the situation, but they do reveal that others definitely were responsible; and in the case of the Black Israelites, I'd say they were to blame (primarily) for the entire situation. I'm simply unwilling to let the students off the hook entirely. They did have choices and they must also have known what the collective presence of mutliple MAGA hats would potentially do in that scenario. I'm not calling them racist, bigots, or anything of the sort; but they represented themselves in a way that was already an act of communication, and they became the subject of a discussion.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

actually you clueless fuck, i posted pictures of him trying to dox me by posting my name, pictures of my family home etc before i went full on and exposed him. Even mentioned your comment where you referred to him as a serial liar. That's one thing you definitely did call. And its funny, because he loved talking shit about you too(and literally everyone else here except one person). I have it all saved.

Clearly I missed a lot. My apologies. Gossip doesn't bother me all that much but doxxers are the lowest.

Whoever was in the convo with Omni was being manipulated so hard embarrassing

Well, CIG does like a dominant woman.

EDIT: Wait, apparently it wasn't CIG either. Double apologies, I'll just wait for the full thing to blow up again before making comments on something I know nothing about.

 

[Dak]

They did have choices and they must also have known what the collective presence of mutliple MAGA hats would potentially do in that scenario. I'm not calling them racist, bigots, or anything of the sort; but they represented themselves in a way that was already an act of communication, and they became the subject of a discussion.

Sure, they wore political apparel related to the sitting President in the nation's capital. You'll notice it's relatively common since 2016 if you've spent any amount of time in DC since then (I've spent 3 days in DC since 2016). The "situation" was being in the vicinity of some misogynistic race supremacists who were yelling "hate" at everyone around, MAGA hat or no.

I guarantee they're learning outrage... from their outraged parents. And from the Twitterati too, I'm sure.

It probably wouldn't have been an issue had it not been for media misrepresentation. But now it is an issue, and they were part of the equation. The unedited videos don't absolve the students of all responsibility in the situation, but they do reveal that others definitely were responsible; and in the case of the Black Israelites, I'd say they were to blame (primarily) for the entire situation. I'm simply unwilling to let the students off the hook entirely.

Twitterati has in some cases decided that their presence in DC for a pro-life march was reason enough to still hold the students culpable. Why aren't the Native American demonstrators culpable for their presence?

I'm not saying every single teen was acting in a virtuous manner or anything of the sort, but the story should have been grown men treating women and minorities with gross hate and disrespect. Not some teenagers who were verbally attacked and then subjected to a stare down by this poor excuse for a prior Marine (supposedly went AWOL multiple times. Maybe one of McNamara's follies). Why didn't Phillips approach the Black Israelites? Because A. He's an activist, and knows what would get the coverage and B. He's a pussy and wasn't going to go banging a drum in the face of a grown ass black man.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Clearly I missed a lot. My apologies. Gossip doesn't bother me all that much but doxxers are the lowest.

yea, i dont gossip and have never said anything about anyone here to others that they haven't heard from me here. Nothing to me means more than my word, so you guys can believe me or not. I read so much shit that was talked about me on so many different levels(my personal info, family info, "were all colluding against him" etc) that i just couldn't hold back anymore.

 

[Dak]

Whether you agree with his opinions or not, Ein’s arguments are generally carefully considered, well structured and coherent. He also rarely resorts to personal attacks and insults unless provoked.

He’s clearly a well-read individual and as such, I find his points more worthy of consideration than some purely reactionary response.

Accurate. Most disagreements I have are usually over the weight assigned to what's read and considered, to put it in brief.

 

[Dak]

https://twitter.com/PopAlarms/status/1088711643775684608

This is how we know there's no such thing as white privilege, at least currently. White kid smiles, people say put him in a woodchipper. Try replacing irish in this rantwith black etc. and see how far that would fly.

 

[CiG]

Exactly what he's doing: beating a drum and chanting.

Disingenuous. He walked away from his group, over to another group, and banged his drum and chanted directly at the kids, specifically in the face of one of them, in an antagonistic fashion. It was a protest chant of some kind and he said he did so because he thought the kids were preying on and being hateful to the Black Israelites.

Why does that antagonistic chant and drumming deserve respect? It's akin to saying you should respect an older man who is standing in the middle of a group you're with chanting "build the wall" or "no Trump no KKK no fascist U.S.A."

Are you appealing to a generic "respect your elders" sentiment that implies elders should be respected even when they're being cunts to you?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nathan-phillips-vietnam-veteran/

I'm not sure this qualifies him as a "lying cunt."

I just find the whole thing fascinating--how the backlash tries to paint the kids as innocent and Nathan Phillips as a "lying cunt" (I think these were your words). If you really want to stick to the language used, he didn't lie about anything (as far as anyone knows). He appears to have called himself a "Vietnam times vet" or something to that effect, meaning he served around the time of the Vietnam War. Calling oneself a vet doesn't necessarily mean that one saw combat or was deployed. People just make the assumption that service = combat. He still served in the military.

Stolen valor: Native American activist Nathan Phillips lied that he was a 'Vietnam vet' in Facebook video.

Absolutely using the buzzphrase "Vietnam veteran" to manipulate people, except usually this is done to manipulate the right.

They were there at a pro-life rally and wandered over to an area where the Indigenous Peoples' march was being held (of course, this was where they were supposed to get picked up).

You trashed your own point in the same sentence you made it. They wondered over to the designated pick-up point where they likely had no clue a Native American March was going to happen, and I'm basing this on when you said the March was moving from place to place.

It was obvious from the get-go that these kids were privileged little pricks who weren't afraid to flaunt their privilege like the little assholes they've been raised to become.

The privilege to wear a hat while out on a school sanctioned political excursion. Let's not talk about the privilege of walking up to a group of kids doing nothing to you and antagonistically banging a drum and chanting at them, and then telling the media they harassed you.

Now that is privilege. He knew the situation was a win/win for him. If they attack him, he wins, MAGA kids bad. If they smirk at him, he wins, MAGA kids bad. If they try to chant or dance along with him which will be interpreted as mockery, he wins, MAGA kids bad. If they walk away, he wins, he made the bad MAGA kids run away with his warrior chant.

If they were from my poor-ass region of birth, they'd be wearing MAGA hats, but they wouldn't have the privilege to chant "Build the Wall" at a bunch of bigot black nationalists without fear of reprisal in one of the most expensive cities in the world, and they certainly wouldn't have the money to become players in the spin game of today's culture wars.

When did they chant "build the wall"?

I emphasized their clothing, not the color of their skin. The hats were what people reacted to, not that they were white. I never said or insinuated that the problem was their skin color.

They got told to "go back to Europe" because of their hats, not their race. Got it.

All I'm saying is the kids couldn't not have known the impact their paraphernalia would have had.

Why do you assume high school kids could or should have ever known the true impact of anything they did?

And no, they probably didn't wear them anticipating that Native Americans would see them. But they could have taken them off at any time, and they didn't. That's a choice, and it's one they're entitled to. But then they should expect a dialogue.

I love the slipperiness of your wording, "a dialogue" haha. Is that what you call majority of or at least the loudest reactions to that event? A dialogue? The only dialogue I see is the people who reacted terribly looking in on themselves.

Perhaps I’m wrong, though, because I generally avoid this thread. Due to it being a cesspool of opinions I find offensive and archaic. So I haven’t read too many of his debates.

Oh please, it's not that bad here, or you're just sensitive as fuck.

I guarantee they're learning outrage... from their outraged parents.

Yeah those parents have no justification to be outraged that their kids received death threats, people are trying to have them expelled, talking about how they're the face of white supremacy and an oppressive patriarchy, talking about how they'd punish them with graphic detail, basically shitting all over them, potentially destroying their future by running their names and faces through the mud and just generally treating them like they're subhuman and evil.

Pure faux-outrage, only the people defending some toothless military refrigerator repairman deserve to be outraged.

 

[Dak]

The privilege to wear a hat while out on a school sanctioned political excursion. Let's not talk about the privilege of walking up to a group of kids doing nothing to you and antagonistically banging a drum and chanting at them, and then telling the media they harassed you.

Now that is privilege. He knew the situation was a win/win for him. If they attack him, he wins, MAGA kids bad. If they smirk at him, he wins, MAGA kids bad. If they try to chant or dance along with him which will be interpreted as mockery, he wins, MAGA kids bad. If they walk away, he wins, he made the bad MAGA kids run away with his warrior chant.

Bingo. The weight of the situation dictated all aggressive actions directed at the kids as a win for him. Not so for approaching the people actually harrassing the Native Americans.

 

[Einherjar86]

EDIT: I quoted CIG's post, but for some reason it's saying TB made all these comments. This is like a sick joke.

Disingenuous. He walked away from his group, over to another group, and banged his drum and chanted directly at the kids, specifically in the face of one of them, in an antagonistic fashion. It was a protest chant of some kind and he said he did so because he thought the kids were preying on and being hateful to the Black Israelites.

Why does that antagonistic chant and drumming deserve respect? It's akin to saying you should respect an older man who is standing in the middle of a group you're with chanting "build the wall" or "no Trump no KKK no fascist U.S.A."

Are you appealing to a generic "respect your elders" sentiment that implies elders should be respected even when they're being cunts to you?

Not at all. I despise some of my elders.

I don't think they had many good options when it came to Phillips. The best would have been to dissolve and depart, but they had to catch a bus.

But seriously, "antagonistic chant and drumming"? You found it antagonistic? What video are you watching?

Absolutely using the buzzphrase "Vietnam veteran" to manipulate people, except usually this is done to manipulate the right.

I agree, and already said this in an earlier post.

You trashed your own point in the same sentence you made it. They wondered over to the designated pick-up point where they likely had no clue a Native American March was going to happen, and I'm basing this on when you said the March was moving from place to place.

I didn't "trash my own point." I'm acknowledging all aspects of the situation.

The students were put in a difficult place, and they didn't handle themselves well. I'm not saying they're at fault for what happened, but they are responsible for how they chose to act. "But he came toward us" isn't a defensible position. Phillips didn't attack or verbally assault them, and his drumming definitely "antagonistic."

The privilege to wear a hat while out on a school sanctioned political excursion. Let's not talk about the privilege of walking up to a group of kids doing nothing to you and antagonistically banging a drum and chanting at them, and then telling the media they harassed you.

Now that is privilege. He knew the situation was a win/win for him. If they attack him, he wins, MAGA kids bad. If they smirk at him, he wins, MAGA kids bad. If they try to chant or dance along with him which will be interpreted as mockery, he wins, MAGA kids bad. If they walk away, he wins, he made the bad MAGA kids run away with his warrior chant.

If the students did in fact find Phillips's drumming antagonistic, it might be because they'd never met a Native American in their life.

They got told to "go back to Europe" because of their hats, not their race. Got it.

The hats started a conversation. I never said that race didn't come into play later. I was identifying their hats as a communicative act in itself, and it invited criticism.

Why do you assume high school kids could or should have ever known the true impact of anything they did?

This is a fair question. If they're going to D.C. and marching in a pro-life rally, then I think it's fair to assume they understand the impact of their actions.

That, or they're the pawns of their parents.

I love the slipperiness of your wording, "a dialogue" haha. Is that what you call majority of or at least the loudest reactions to that event? A dialogue? The only dialogue I see is the people who reacted terribly looking in on themselves.

Speak for yourself, Mr. "antagonism."

I'm not saying every single teen was acting in a virtuous manner or anything of the sort, but the story should have been grown men treating women and minorities with gross hate and disrespect. Not some teenagers who were verbally attacked and then subjected to a stare down by this poor excuse for a prior Marine (supposedly went AWOL multiple times. Maybe one of McNamara's follies). Why didn't Phillips approach the Black Israelites? Because A. He's an activist, and knows what would get the coverage and B. He's a pussy and wasn't going to go banging a drum in the face of a grown ass black man.

I don't actually object to any of this. But as you say, it doesn't mean the students are absolved of their responsibility. I don't want to see the discussion shifted entirely away from them and their presence.

 

[CiG]

Not at all. I despise some of my elders.

I don't think they had many good options when it came to Phillips. The best would have been to dissolve and depart, but they had to catch a bus.

But seriously, "antagonistic chant and drumming"? You found it antagonistic? What video are you watching?

It's at least as antagonistic as a smirk, and it was the catalyst of the smirk in the first place.

It's antagonistic because if someone bangs a drum and chants in a language you don't understand, in your face, in that situation, and then later the chanting spastic admits he confronted them in defence of the Black Israelites, what was it but antagonistic?

The students were put in a difficult place, and they didn't handle themselves well. I'm not saying they're at fault for what happened, but they are responsible for how they chose to act.

I disagree. They laughed and smirked and danced around in the middle of being told to go back to Europe, how Trump is a homo, how fellow black students were called ni**ers, how it was said that they will steal livers or some weird shit, some fucking retarded activist in his 60's banging a drum and chanting a protest song at them in a different language. I doubt many people would have handled that situation any better than they did.

"But he came toward us" isn't a defensible position. Phillips didn't attack or verbally assault them, and his drumming definitely "antagonistic."

Neither did they, and nothing they did was antagonistic or disrespectful, unless you're suggesting there be no standard for what does or doesn't get respect?

If the students did in fact find Phillips's drumming antagonistic, it might be because they'd never met a Native American in their life.

I'm sure that's it, and not because he walked over to them and started doing it randomly, for reasons later revealed to be in opposition to the students.

The hats started a conversation. I never said that race didn't come into play later. I was identifying their hats as a communicative act in itself, and it invited criticism.

No, the people reacting to the hats started the conversation.

This is a fair question. If they're going to D.C. and marching in a pro-life rally, then I think it's fair to assume they understand the impact of their actions.

That, or they're the pawns of their parents.

You apply more nefarious intentions to the parents of the kids than anybody actually involved. Hilarious bias.

Speak for yourself, Mr. "antagonism."

Nathan Phillips admitted that he walked to the kids and started drumming and chanting because he felt the kids were being hateful and preying on the Black Israelites, therefore what he did fits perfectly into the definition of being antagonistic.