If Mort Divine ruled the world
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Einherjar86
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I do consider animals' lives to be as valuable as humans', but that's probably unrealistic.
Didn't know you were vegan.
CiG
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Dore lighting up Harris very nicely.
"Trump is a threat to national security because he's too nice to NK's dictator who has nukes and takes Putin's word over the word of US intelligence community."
lmfao.
Einherjar86
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> "I do consider animals' lives to be as valuable as humans'"
> "I'm a lapsed vegetarian that sometimes eats beef and chicken"
HamburgerBoy
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He fed his doctor his son's foreskin so it balances out.
#SkinInTheGame
#SkinInTheGame
Krow
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Tbh it’s pretty easy to hunt/fish for your own meat supply and you’d never be part of “Beef/chicken meat cartel” but i guess most people aren’t up for that. I’ve thought about trying to remove myself from the grid just a bit in that way but I can’t stand raising chickens/would need an egg supply so blah.
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Einherjar86
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> "I do consider animals' lives to be as valuable as humans'"
> "I'm a lapsed vegetarian that sometimes eats beef and chicken"
My cat eats tuna. I don’t get offended by that.
I grapple with my inconsistencies all the time. That doesn’t mean I can’t feel horrible about some of my actions and want to do better.
CiG
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Your cat doesn't hold a principle like I consider animals' lives to be as valuable as humans'.
I don't equalize the value of humans and animals, I'm a speciest. But I have no idea how someone could come to your position while continuing to literally engage in the killing and eating of animals, and the implications this has on your value of human life is amusing. It's just a bit funny to me is all.
Onder
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Yeah I've known people who started their own egg production with just a few chickens frolicking in the garden and that way they knew what they're eating doesn't come from mass production. That seems very sensible if you care about the animals in our food chain. What we started doing with muh lady is buying chicken from a local small-scale butcher where we know where the meat comes from and stuff, that's another option (it can be costly but hey, we order his meat like once in two months and we're ok).
For political and ecological reasons, I don't go to KFC ever, because I know the chickens mostly come from our prime minister's corporation, and that's garbage on many levels.
Einherjar86
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I agree, it's inconsistent as fuck. It's something I announce as an aspiration, even as I struggle to realize it in my actions.
Anyway, as far as my potential progeny go, I don't see any reason why having children should make me more realistic when there are currently-existing children all over the world. Put another way, I don't see why children need to me mine in order to make me care about them.
I reject the implication that my views are unrealistic because I don't have "skin in the game." I believe the things I do because I plan on having children. Actually holding them in my arms isn't going to have some miraculous effect on my ethics.
CiG
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CiG
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"We don't know how much time we have left, it's probably a few hundred years tops because sooner or later you're going to have Putin-like or Trump-like people, I mean I'm sorry I would have a very deep antipathy towards Donald Trump... he's not temperamentally fit to have the secrets of theoretical physics at his fingertips, he just isn't. It's imperative to me that he not be elected in 2020, and that the Democratic Party wake up, get rid of its crazy fringe, so that we can buy some time..."
I'm pretty much burned out on the IDW crowd, I still think Heather Heying was the best gift it gave us, but Eric is usually interesting because he touches on so many unorthodox subjects.
I'm pretty much burned out on the IDW crowd, I still think Heather Heying was the best gift it gave us, but Eric is usually interesting because he touches on so many unorthodox subjects.
Einherjar86
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CiG
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Ironic that someone who so champions the knowledge gained through experience of identity groups is so antagonistic to the idea that people who have had children have a kind of knowledge not attainable anywhere else.
Einherjar86
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Well not all people who have children, mind you. I have married friends who have children, and none of them rub it in my face. They also share my political and ethical values. Somehow I’m more interested in what they know—and how they’ve managed to maintain such unrealistic positions.
Dak
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CiG
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Well fair enough, I'm not the one saying you'll change your mind on specific things once you have a kid, I'm just scoffing at your confidence that having one won't "miraculously" have an effect on your ethics. One of the most common ethical shifts attached to having a kid is on abortion for example.
Having a kid isn't special outside of for those intimately involved, and people who go on about their kids are usually insufferable, but I think you're naive if you think having one yourself won't change you as a person outside of gaining extra responsibilities. There's nothing like it.
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