I'm glad Islam is a 'peaceful' religion

[SueNC]

or this would seem REALLY bad! :Smug:

from MEMRI.org:

June 27, 2007 No.1635

Senior Al-Qaeda Sheikh: 'May Allah Send Someone Who Will Kill Them Even More [Savagely]… Tear Their Hearts Out… Cut Their Heads Off, Tear Them Limb From Limb, and Shed Their Blood in Rivers'

The April-May 2007 issue of the jihadi e-magazine Sada Al-Jihad, published by the Global Islamic Media Front (GIMF), includes an article by Sheikh Hussein bin Mahmoud [1] titled "Let Them Find Ruthlessness in You," in which he criticizes the Muslims for being too lenient in their war against their enemies. Bin Mahmoud states that Allah commanded the Muslims to fight their enemies fiercely, without compassion or mercy, and uses Koranic verses to back up his assertions. He extols the example of Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi, who cut off the infidels' heads and struck terror in their hearts.

The following are excerpts from the article:


"When… Al-Zarqawi Went Out and Slaughtered a Few Infidels, the [Advocates of] Tolerance and Friendship Had a Fit"
"The way of [waging] jihad changes according to the [available] means, innovations, ploys and practices. Over the history of Islamic conquests, jihad was [waged] according to these [changing] general principles... which we cannot enumerate here fully. We can, however, mention one aspect which our [Islamic] nation is now in dire need of, since many Muslims today have a distorted [understanding] of Islamic principles and tenets, due to [the influence of] the enemy, or due to [the influence] of some Muslims whose spirit has been defeated... and they have begun to distort the [true] meaning of Koranic verses on [the pretext of] rationalism, moderateness, a civilized [outlook], or similar notions. These notions have lost their [true] meaning and have become synonymous with defeat, withdrawal, impotence and falsification of the truths of Islamic shari'a.

"The aspect that Muslims must accept is that of ruthlessness and firmness in jihad. Many Muslims today are educated in a spirit that is far from the [true] spirit of the Koran... The Muslim nation is the strongest nation in history... since it has the mightiest prophet, the mightiest book [i.e., the Koran] and the mightiest religion on Earth, and it is the nation which strikes its enemies hardest, [since it fights them] according to Islamic shari'a. Owing to these qualities, [the Muslim nation] is the most awe-inspiring of nations, and nobody [dares to] covet [what belongs to it], as long as it adheres to its principles and to the sources of its strength, which are the Koran and the sunna.

"It is no exaggeration to say that many Muslims today have never heard of the Koranic verses [that speak of] jihad... and do not believe that the Koran includes verses that speak of force, firmness, terror and cruelty, since they have heard so much about peace, security, compassion, friendship, justice, grace, honesty and moderateness. These are all words of truth, but in times of war, they are used to express falsehoods.

"When the emir and commander Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi went out and slaughtered a few infidels, the [advocates of] tolerance and friendship had a fit. They jumped up, made threats and swore that this [act] runs counter to the spirit of [Islam]. How much suffering have these people and their supporters caused us! When we told them that Allah commanded to cut off the heads [of the enemies], they would say, 'be mindful of Allah, and do not make things up,' and we had to bring the Koran and show them these verses so that they would believe [us]. Some of them even turned the book over [and looked] at the cover to make sure that it really was the Koran. These [people] had read the Koran many times, but they had not read it [carefully]..."


"The Perfect Muslim is Gentle with His Fellow Believer and Harsh Towards His Enemy, the Infidel"

"A quick review of some Koranic verses [will help us] characterize [the concept of] cruelty in battle, so that the Muslims understand the truth about this matter and [realize] what is missing from their [school] curricula, sermons and religion courses. The [Muslim] nation must urgently familiarize itself with these military aspects of the Koran, so that it can deal with its enemies and fight [them]... in the way prescribed by Allah in order to grant [the nation] victory. After the great battle of Badr, Allah told the Prophet [Muhammad]...: 'It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the frail goods of this world, while Allah desires [for you] the hereafter; and Allah is Mighty and Wise [Koran 8:67]'... The word 'prophet' in this verse appears in the indefinite form, which means that [all] the prophets used to kill many of their enemies by the sword rather than take them captive... Allah says this explicitly [in the following verse]: 'So when you meet the infidels in battle, then cut off their heads, and after you have killed many of them by the sword, place [them] in shackles, and afterwards either set them free if you choose or let them ransom [themselves] until the war ends [Koran 47:4]'...

"The first real battle fought by the Muslims was the battle of Badr, in which they captured many polytheists in order to hold them for ransom, according to the custom of the [pre-Islamic] Arabs. Allah rebuked them and explained to them that this was not the way of the prophets, for [the prophets] killed many of the infidel leaders and soldiers in order to purge the land of them... and [in order to] prepare the world for da'wa for the sake of Allah. During the battle of Badr, something momentous happened: Allah ordered the angels to fight alongside the Muslims and to strengthen their spirits, and He told [the angels] that he would strike terror into the hearts of the infidels. [The Koran says]: 'Remember thy Lord inspired the angels [with the message]: I am with you. Give firmness to the Believers, [and] I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers. You cut off their heads and smite all their fingers off them [Koran 8:12]'...

"This was the beginning of the war against the infidels, and the initial shock, [meant to] fill the hearts [of the infidels] with fear and terror of the Muslims, so that they would stop resisting and accept the treaty, and later either convert to Islam if they want to, or continue to live under the treaty and come to no harm...

"[The question is]: This violence, ruthlessness and firmness - Is it [meant to be] a permanent law and feature of war, or does it apply only to the early [years of Islam]? The answer [is given in] Koran 9:123, where Allah says: 'O ye who believe! Fight the infidels who are near to you, and let them find ruthlessness in you, and know that Allah is with the faithful.' This was one of the last suras to descend, its verses were among the last to descend, and the laws [they set out] are timeless... The perfect Muslim is gentle with his fellow believer and harsh towards his enemy, the infidel..."


"Allah Commanded the Believers… to Show [Their Enemies] No Mercy or Compassion"

"Today, the content of all these verses is perhaps encapsulated in a single verse, which is: 'If ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted [Koran 16:126].' [In this verse], Allah commands [us] to fight the enemy the same way he fights us, to kill him in the same way he kills us, and to deliberately kill those who set out to kill us. Today, our enemies hit us with nuclear bombs, cluster [bombs] and chemical [bombs] which have killed many of our men, women and children, destroyed homes and crops, spread disease and burned [people's] bodies. We [therefore] have the right to fight back by the same means, by the command of Allah who [instructs us] to be ruthless and fierce [with the enemy] and to smite him, in order to teach others a lesson...

"These verses teach us that Allah commanded the believers to be firm, forceful, ruthless and radical in killing the enemies who fight against [Islam], and to show them no mercy or compassion... This applies to offensive jihad. What about [the case in which] the infidels attack the Muslim states, shed [Muslim] blood, violate women's honor and offend [Islam]? In that case, there is no doubt that they must be struck and killed with even greater ruthlessness, as a lesson to others and in order to fill them with awe for the [Muslim] nation, so that no-one will wish to attack [the Muslims] anywhere, ever again. For Allah has said in the Koran: 'If ye gain the mastery over them in war, disperse them and those who follow them, that they may remember [Koran 8:57]'...

"Wars are fought on the basis of theories of warfare, and not [on the basis of] a hodgepodge of peace[full terms] and philosophies that are all talk. [War] is bloodshed and killing, and not [a matter for] religious arguments, theories, debates and… programs on the satellite channels. Our righteous forefathers implemented the principles of the Koran, and the results were amazing: [they gained] victory after victory and Allah's triumph was realized, because they defended his faith and obeyed his command to kill, disperse and smite the enemies of the faith...

"Looking at the Islamic [world] today, we find that these divine edicts are hardly ever implemented. We once had two men whom we beseeched Allah to give a long life so they would revive the tradition of Khaled [Bin Al-Walid]. [2] [These two men were] the commander Sayf Al-Islam Khattab [who led the jihad in Chechnya] and the slaughtering Emir Abu Mus'ab Al-Zarqawi... Despite their short lives, they left an enduring legacy that will be remembered for generations to come... They were among those who stood most firmly against the infidels, and reminded the Muslims of some of the [Koranic] verses [that they had forgotten]. They killed and cut off heads, and the mere mention of their names on any front was enough to scare the enemies and disperse those who followed them...

"May Allah send the [Muslim] nation someone who will kill them even more [savagely], strike terror in their [souls], tear their hearts out... cut their heads off, tear them limb from limb and shed their blood in rivers...

"Hussein Bin Mahmoud

"The 29th day of Rabi' Al-Awwal, 1428 (April 17, 2007)."

 

[ShadowGallery]

or this would seem REALLY bad! :Smug:

from MEMRI.org:

You've honestly moved on to using a leader of AL QUEDA to prove how evil Islam is?

And Abu Musab al-Zarqawi lead much of the attacks against Jordan, alongside OSAMA BIN LADEN.. And he does not practice Islam, he doesn't pray and he violates the moral code of the Qur'an frequently, there's a reason Iraqi insurgents, who are against the US' attack of Iraq, attempted to kill him several times, resulting in his near fatal injuries in 2004.. Because he was corrupt, extremist, hypocritical scum whose only support came from Al Qaeda, while almost all the organizations in the Middle East, even those fighting against the US, wanted him dead.

And read your own article, here's a quote from it:

Many Muslims today are educated in a spirit that is far from the [true] spirit of the Koran...

Some of them even turned the book over [and looked] at the cover to make sure that it really was the Koran. These [people] had read the Koran many times, but they had not read it carefully...

Much of what is in the Qur'an is misinterpreted, usually intentionally, to try to convince people to join their cause. The Qur'an's texts flow, which is why, when taken out of the context of the book, uses of figurative language could be abused by some extremist groups in the Middle East to sound like reason to support their cause (which very few fell for, which is why the entirety of the Middle East is against Al Qaeda, as they are a group of non-Muslims trying to abuse the term Islam to support their cause).

Now on to the complete rape of all the quotes:

'It is not for any prophet to have captives until he hath made slaughter in the land. You desire the frail goods of this world, while Allah desires [for you] the hereafter; and Allah is Mighty and Wise

is what the article says it is.. The actual quote in the Qur'an does not use the word "slaughter in the land", the quote as I read it in "The Holy Qur'an.. Translation and commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali):

It is not fighting for an Apostle that he should have prisoners of war until he hath thoroughly subdued the land. Ye look for the tempotal goods of this world; But God Looketh to the Hereafter; And God is Exalted in might, Wise

The meaning of this quote is that no Muslim, unless to go against the teachings of the Qur'an, should ever fight a war fueled by greed and the use of collecting captors or slaves, in which could be used for gain. As Jesus said in the Bible and as practiced in the Qur'an:

"Think Not that I come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword"

This teachings show that war should not be pursued unless it is a matter of defence or defence of rights, as said in the Bible as well, and never should goods or captives be taken.. As made more clear in the next passage of the Qur'an, follownig the one taken completely out of context that you used.

Qur'an 8:68:

"A severe penalty would have reached you for the ransom that ye took"

That meaning, taking captives of war and using ransom as practiced in Europe during war is condemned by Islam, except for one circumstance, prisoners of war should either be set free or imprisoned as punishment if they committed inhumane acts (such as in the crusades, where crusaders murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians...).. But never, should war prisoners be tortured or put to death, which was something largely practiced by European countries even today.

Their quote of 47:4 was very poorly translated. The first section just states, that during war, you should either strike the opponents fingers, to prevent further harm to them and yourself (they won't be able to grasp a weapon, so they can be subdued without severe injury to them), or at the neck, only if compeltely necessary, during war, in which would cause immediate death so your opponent wouldn't have to suffer. All holy books give descriptions of how to fight humanely during wars, etc, this was just that subject.. After that, it says to either release the survivors of the enemy from the war, out of generosity or imprison them if they acted so inhumanely during the war. If you read the three previous passages to this (47:1-3), you'd know the term "unbeliever" was used in the context of those people who commited inhumane acts against other human beings (it was not meant as the religious term, just when translated from Arabic to English, there aren't the same words in both languages to be completely exact). Same idea with the next passage used..

Then, the article says that [16:126] is: ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted, which is complete bullshit, again..

[16:125] of the Qur'an says:

Invite all to the Way of Thy Lord with Wisdom and beatiful preaching; and ARGUE with them In the ways that are best and MOST GRACIOUS: For thy Lord knoweth best, Who have strayed from His Path amd who receive guidance

It's about arguement and how you're supposed to ARGUE and debate respectfully.. This leads into the passage the article used, which they changed the words of while in reality it is:

And if ye do catch them out, catch them out no worse than they catch you out: But if Ye show patience, that is indeed the best course for those who are patient

The people who wrote the article tried to portray it as something war-related, while in reality, if the people who wrote the article actually read the passages before it, they'd know it was just about how to argue respectfully, to show the person you argue with the same respect they show you, and to be patient if they stoop to low levels of arguing and not to go down to their level.

The whole basis for the article was to use quotes of the Qur'an that they could make sound radical when they take them out of context. This is similar to what Al Qaeda did to gain their minimal amounts of support (falsely quote the Qur'an, as they themselves are NOT MUSLIMS).



You're just looking up random, poorly written articles on google. You don't even care if they're accurate or not, as long as they are against Islam, you post them.. Why don't you try reading the Qur'an and then writting an article YOURSELF on the topic instead of just sheepishly following what you read on the internet.. Educate yourself, don't just follow what you hear.

 

[Evil Dead]

hah they are called GIMF.

 

[Bag Jr.]

Good post, Shadow Gallery. I learned a lot from your post. It's interesting how the translation can get messed up so easily.

 

[LOS MAGANDOS]

SueNC.. you know nothing about Islam... get back to your porch chair.

 

[SueNC]

SueNC.. you know nothing about Islam... get back to your porch chair.

i need a porch chair.
as for how much i know about Islam, i know it's a violent, vile, false religion, adhered to by savages. pick up the newspaper if you need further proof. the MEMRI article wasnt my handiwork, btw. MEMRI is an organization designed to track Middle Eastern media and reveal what they're saying from their mosques and on their television programs to the Western world.

 

[ShadowGallery]

i need a porch chair.
as for how much i know about Islam, i know it's a violent, vile, false religion, adhered to by savages. pick up the newspaper if you need further proof. the MEMRI article wasnt my handiwork, btw. MEMRI is an organization designed to track Middle Eastern media and reveal what they're saying from their mosques and on their television programs to the Western world.

Why do you post articles you don't read if you're not going to read the response of people (like mine, in which I proved, through fact that you were wrong.. While you continue to try to argue against me using a combination of superstition and bullshit) to the actual article instead of just the one sentence ones?

..Oh yeah^

 

[SueNC]

Why do you post articles you don't read if you're not going to read the response of people (like mine, in which I proved, through fact that you were wrong.. While you continue to try to argue against me using a combination of superstition and bullshit) to the actual article instead of just the one sentence ones?

..Oh yeah^

what did you post? that it was the head of Al Qaida or something equally lame? sure. i read that, but do you really believe there's a difference? Al Qaida is simply more outspoken about what followers of Islam believe. that's the only difference between them and every other follower of Islam.

now... isnt it time for another round of prayer and bowing on your prayer rug, young jihadist?

 

[Hell_Awaits]

i need a porch chair.
as for how much i know about Islam, i know it's a violent, vile, false religion, adhered to by savages. pick up the newspaper if you need further proof. the MEMRI article wasnt my handiwork, btw. MEMRI is an organization designed to track Middle Eastern media and reveal what they're saying from their mosques and on their television programs to the Western world.

All religions are false.....

 

[ShadowGallery]

what did you post? that it was the head of Al Qaida or something equally lame? sure. i read that, but do you really believe there's a difference? Al Qaida is simply more outspoken about what followers of Islam believe. that's the only difference between them and every other follower of Islam.

So true.. And while we're on the subject, it's kind of similar to how the Grand Wizard of the KKK is just an outspoken version of your everyday Christian..

I guess that makes every other Middle Eastern government that leads each Middle Eastern country that is against Al Qaeda some kind of front to cover up what's really going on.. It guess the word "literacy" in the middle east must really be a cover up for how successful a person is with suicide bombing..

I don't remember seeing any other non-Middle Eastern countries protesting against Al Qaeda.. It was only countries like Morocco, Jordan, Algeria, etc, who were protesting against said organizations in groups of hundreds of thousands of people.

And Islam as a religion is based on one thing and one thing only, the Qur'an.. It has remained unchanged since it was first created, as it was originally made in Arabic and it remained in Arabic since (While many texts like the Bible were translated from aramaic to other languages, causing the change of several texts). There are no extremist or terrorist plots in the Qur'an, it teaches good morals by which to act daily, nothing about suicide attacks, as suicide is oen of the worst sins according to the Qur'an.. The reason suicide bombings developed in countries like Afghanistan was because when they wre coming out of soviet occupation, illiteracy was very high as they had no established themselves as a country yet.. As a result of many uneducated people, unable to actually read the Qur'an, several groups, like Al Qaeda, would try to convince people to join the their organization by lying and saying it's their religious duty, which is the exact reason Al Qaeda is hated by the Muslim world, they tried to change Islam into something it's NOT to support their cause. Just look at the article you posted, it used many ideas that Al Qaeda used to gain it's extremely small following. You fell for what it said like an illiterate person coming straight out of occupation from Russia would fall for any direction, corrupt/false or not, would.

now... isnt it time for another round of prayer and bowing on your prayer rug, young jihadist?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]

Yeah, maybe we should go protest against the pope together for having enough religious conviction to not have sex his entire life. How dare he be so devoted to religion, how horrible of him..

 

[ShadowGallery]

All religions are false.....

Maybe, but that doesn't mean their wrong. Any religion that encourages moral values towards yourself and others is good, whether the books' stories or true or not.

 

[SueNC]

So true.. And while we're on the subject, it's kind of similar to how the Grand Wizard of the KKK is just an outspoken version of your everyday Christian..

does it escape you that you are potentially retarded? have you ever been tested? seriously.

the KKK is to Christianity what dentistry is to knitting. the two arent related, AT ALL.

however, Al Qaida is very much related to Islam. only the sorely misinformed or the outright liars claim otherwise.

 

[ShadowGallery]

does it escape you that you are potentially retarded? have you ever been tested? seriously.

Yes I have been, I scored my highest in verbal skills at just below 140, with some of my lower scores pertaining to mathematics/logic all ranging from 125-135. I was getting all D's in school so they tested my intelligence to see if it was the problem, they then diagnosed me with ADD like every other child in America..

the KKK is to Christianity what dentistry is to knitting. the two arent related, AT ALL.

It was an analogy.. I was saying the KKK is to Christianity as Al Qaeda is to Islam, as I didn't think with a grown adult I'd have to explain it as straight-forward and simple as that. The KKK is considered a Christian Identity group, among other labels, as many leaders will misuse quotations from the Bible to sound like Christianity supports White Supremacy. As with what Al Qaeda, which misquoted the Qur'an to gain followers from a confused country coming out of Soviet occupation, whose downfall is that spread into other bordering or further countries ends in complete rejection/failure.

however, Al Qaida is very much related to Islam. only the sorely misinformed or the outright liars claim otherwise.

Well apparently you're stuck in an infinite loop in that your arguement never changes to actually respond to what another person is talking about. If you hear the word "Islam" in an arguement, you disregard the actual arguement and factual proof, just instinctually respond by claiming all Muslims are terrorists and that the Qur'an says "If you suicide bomb, you will go to heaven".. Pick up a copy of the Qur'an, I'm not saying you have to convert, obviously your backwards ideology works as an electric dog collar, causing pain any time you try to change any previous bigoted idea of yours, but just read a few pages and tell me if you find anything evil within.

 

[SueNC]

Yes I have been, I scored my highest in verbal skills at just below 140, with some of my lower scores pertaining to mathematics/logic all ranging from 125-135. I was getting all D's in school so they tested my intelligence to see if it was the problem, they then diagnosed me with ADD like every other child in America..



It was an analogy.. I was saying the KKK is to Christianity as Al Qaeda is to Islam, as I didn't think with a grown adult I'd have to explain it as straight-forward and simple as that. The KKK is considered a Christian Identity group, among other labels, as many leaders will misuse quotations from the Bible to sound like Christianity supports White Supremacy. As with what Al Qaeda, which misquoted the Qur'an to gain followers from a confused country coming out of Soviet occupation, whose downfall is that spread into other bordering or further countries ends in complete rejection/failure.



Well apparently you're stuck in an infinite loop in that your arguement never changes to actually respond to what another person is talking about. If you hear the word "Islam" in an arguement, you disregard the actual arguement and factual proof, just instinctually respond by claiming all Muslims are terrorists and that the Qur'an says "If you suicide bomb, you will go to heaven".. Pick up a copy of the Qur'an, I'm not saying you have to convert, obviously your backwards ideology works as an electric dog collar, causing pain any time you try to change any previous bigoted idea of yours, but just read a few pages and tell me if you find anything evil within.

so, what have we learned here?
we've learned that you are what i've suspected you were from quite a few posts back: mentally challenged.
that's why i havent been too harsh with you. you're a child, first of all, and a 'special needs' case, to boot.

now, sweetie, dont get upset. i dont want your fevered, revved-up brain to miss what i'm saying this time: the reason i havent changed what i've said from post to post is because what i've been saying hasnt ceased to be true.
Islam is a backwards, evil doctrine, devised by a child-molesting madman in order to paint himself as some sort of deity.
it's not a true religion. it's a cult and is responsible for the majority of the bloodshed and horror in the world today.

 

[ShadowGallery]

so, what have we learned here?
we've learned that you are what i've suspected you were from quite a few posts back: mentally challenged.
that's why i havent been too harsh with you. you're a child, first of all, and a 'special needs' case, to boot.

now, sweetie, dont get upset. i dont want your fevered, revved-up brain to miss what i'm saying this time: the reason i havent changed what i've said from post to post is because what i've been saying hasnt ceased to be true.
Islam is a backwards, evil doctrine, devised by a child-molesting madman in order to paint himself as some sort of deity.
it's not a true religion. it's a cult and is responsible for the majority of the bloodshed and horror in the world today.

Your lack of creativity disgusts me (Apparently, I'm not just a terrorist.. I'm stupid, too. Go for "Fag" next)

And btw, not only do you fail at arguing intelligibly, you're epitomy of inbred racist, moronic Falwell-esque form of "debate" is also breaking the rules of intelligence on this forum:

#2 If you disagree with someone make your arguement without saying stupid shit. Be intelligent, make your point and don't blame the French for everything. Express your opinion and debate with facts.
But do it RESPECTFULLY!

I'm not bitching about a code of conduct or anything, you're actually breaking a lack of intelligence rule.

 

[SueNC]

Your lack of creativity disgusts me (Apparently, I'm not just a terrorist.. I'm stupid, too. Go for "Fag" next)

And btw, not only do you fail at arguing intelligibly, you're epitomy of inbred racist, moronic Falwell-esque form of "debate" is also breaking the rules of intelligence on this forum:


I'm not bitching about a code of conduct or anything, you're actually breaking a lack of intelligence rule.

are you admitting you're gay, too?

wow.

i'm not arguing, at all. to argue would mean that there are two sides to consider.
there arent.
i'm right. period. Islam is a cult. Mohammed was a child molestor.
Allah is a fake, pagan 'moon god.' you are mentally challenged and a victim of child abuse by brainwashing.

i can read everything you say and it doesnt phase me, simply because i consider the source. you're not capable of grasping truth. your weakened mental state has made you easy prey for the Islamic hordes. i see a TNT-studded utility belt in your future.

 

[ShadowGallery]

are you admitting you're gay, too?

wow.

Nope, but I see how you could take it so seriously, considering if I was gay, you'd be forced by your religion to kill me:

If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

i'm not arguing, at all. to argue would mean that there are two sides to consider.
there arent.
i'm right. period. Islam is a cult. Mohammed was a child molestor.
Allah is a fake, pagan 'moon god.' you are mentally challenged and a victim of child abuse by brainwashing.

i can read everything you say and it doesnt phase me, simply because i consider the source. you're not capable of grasping truth. your weakened mental state has made you easy prey for the Islamic hordes. i see a TNT-studded utility belt in your future.

So then you're lying, because my side is that the Qur'an has no evil-promotion in it, and obviously if you're not arguing, you're not actually proving anything you say, you're just.. lying, because in order for something to be true it needs to be a fact and in order to be a fact it must be proven true, and without proof, it isn't true. Accept it, Muhammad wasn't a child molestor, Islam is widely known by Christians/Jews/Muslims/etc as a Abrahamic religion like Christianity and Judaism, Allah is the same god as the Jewish God and is no moon god, my IQ is 4 below genious on the verbal section of the test and my parents were respectable people who never beat me.. Oh, and The Qur'an is the Bible before it was corrupted by people like King Richard and other falsified translations from aramaic to other languages.. It has the same stories, without the insane quotes commanding people to kill, rape and use slavery:

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Unlike you, I've read the books I'm criticizing and I don't take quotes out of context, I use them in their actuality. Christianity was never as corrupt as it's been over the past millenium, it wasn't until it was translated from aramaic, etc, to english, latin, etc, and those translations made official that the original meaning of the bible was skewed. Which is where quotes such as those come from (when the wording of Bible texts in translations would be changed accidentally or to what they choose it to be).

 

[Evil Dead]

Oh, and The Qur'an is the Bible before it was corrupted by people like King Richard and other falsified translations from aramaic to other languages..

The Council of Nicea is where I would say the bible became shit. Before that many gospels and books where floating around (i.e. gnostic.) Constantine was behind this little meeting where the main point was to figure out the whole idea of Jesus in relation to God(father) as written in the many books. They also hand picked what version of the bible was going to exist.

But I would also say that the biggest distortion of the bible was from "King James era" in the 1600's. Where under his rule the clergy made their own little version of the bible from greek and hebrew translations. That is what the majority of people use today.

The Koran is probably the least bastardized version of religious text, even though I do not agree with anything in it (nor the bible.)

Again, I chalk all this up to superstitious nonsense. It is no different than the mumbo jumbo vikings, greeks, romans, and sumerians believed back then. The only real difference is that all of those groups where crushed by christianity and islam making their beliefs "wrong."

 

[Hell_Awaits]

Maybe, but that doesn't mean their wrong. Any religion that encourages moral values towards yourself and others is good, whether the books' stories or true or not.

good point.....I dont have a problem with anyones religion as long as they dont force it on me or use it to judge me.......

 

[Evil Dead]

good point.....I dont have a problem with anyones religion as long as they dont force it on me or use it to judge me.......

PRoblem is most of them do try to force it on you