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It IS human. It is NOT a PERSON. I really don't think the term parasite is meant for a gestating offspring, but I am not a biologist.
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The Ozzman
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How can something be human and not a person?
That doesn't make any sense (at least to me). Humans and people are one in the same.
It is a potential human.
That doesn't make any sense (at least to me). Humans and people are one in the same.
It is a potential human.
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A hair from my head is human. Another example is how people say "a human brain". However you wouldn't call a hair or a brain a person.
The Ozzman
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It's also referred to as a person's hair or a person's brain. Human and person are rather synonymous in my mind.
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Fine. The distinction I was trying to make was between human (adj) and a human (noun). I used the word person to try to avoid confusion. I guess I failed.
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A parasite will lodge within or on its prey, however I don't know of any that are of the same species that lodge inside an organ made solely for them and only stay there for a certain, predestined amount of time (unless something goes wrong and the baby miscarries or is born prematurely). As far as I know parasites come about and stay as long as they want depending on how great the digs are... There is no alotted time frame.
The Ozzman
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Oh, I see. The attributes of the noun rather than the noun itself.
Meh, that's fine. I'm pretty stubborn, so you won't change how I feel about it, but it's a different perspective.
I really just wanted to piss off Susperia, but whatever.
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As I mentioned in reply to Susperia, a species can have different biological natures within it's lifetime. During the initial forming during embryogenesis, some would consider the nature and actions the cells take to be parasitical in nature - that doesn't mean the pre-fetus is a parasite.
It's all interpretation and point of view anyway.
You didn't fail, for I understood you perfectly. Usually however, personhood (as defined by various philosophical standards) is not just tested under a physiological banner. Think about it, what is a person? How do you define what a person is? Can a person be defined at all by the current standards of language? of thought? As Susperia mentioned: "It's not all black and white".
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I agree with you here, but even if a fetus is a parasitic in nature, I don't think the term parasite should be used to describe an offspring that is purposefully placed in that situation.
I think we can all agree that when "personhood" is attained is tough. I wasn't really using that as argument on why it is not a parasite, more just trying to correct Ozzman. I think we can all agree though that an early fetus is not a person.
Yeah, terminology can be a bit buggy, especially when trying to ail down the particulars in any argument. It also doesn't help that most naturally accept the term parasite with a grain of negativity.
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This is getting off-topic now...closing statements then a formal agreement to close? Good job everyone...
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I think you owe it to us to explain why you're in such a hurry to close this thread. You didn't respond to any of the posts directed at you a few pages back.
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AchrisK
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No, actually. I said in my post:
Maybe my wording is not clear. I refer to the "fertilized egg" simply to refer to the entire process from the beginning of developement, rather that to specify a certain stage of developement. My defense of the zygote is more of a (possibly overly) conservative approach based on not knowing when the soul becomes part of a person.
While I understand what you're saying about God's omniscience, I don't think that necessarily proves or even implies when the soul would be applied. It makes logical sense to me that the soul be imparted at some point past where the odds are against survival, but I am not God and don't even pretent to understand his ways.
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I apologize for not reading your post clearly enough. However, if the souls entered at conception, then God would be dooming billions of souls to premature deaths.
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Oh. I'm sorry people are getting the feeling that I am rushing to close this. I actually only wanted to close it to preserve how good of a discussion this has been, in truth (ask Nick/CC, he asked me the same question and I gave him the second answer, and we're pretty good friends; I wouldn't lie to him about that).
The truth is that we have not had a thread this stimulating (thanks for the word Cara!) in a long time...possibly ever. This is just such a mature, civil thread...it's kind of amazing. I read it all without even going "ah fuck that dick posted" or whatever...usually I do those kind of things...since I have to have kind of a cynical nature being a mod here.
Anyway, no I won't move it or close it if there is such a high fanbase for it. I am actually proud of all of you for maintaining civility throughout this (probably in no small part to Ack and whoever he has been arguing with...I think Cairath; Ack, thank you for being one of the most cooperative and understanding posters here despite your religious dedications!).
Anyway, sorry if people got the wrong idea...I'm not evil!
OPEN IT SHALL STAY...but I swear, if this becomes a flamewar, I am going to cry and say TOLD YOU SO!1!!!
The truth is that we have not had a thread this stimulating (thanks for the word Cara!) in a long time...possibly ever. This is just such a mature, civil thread...it's kind of amazing. I read it all without even going "ah fuck that dick posted" or whatever...usually I do those kind of things...since I have to have kind of a cynical nature being a mod here.
Anyway, no I won't move it or close it if there is such a high fanbase for it. I am actually proud of all of you for maintaining civility throughout this (probably in no small part to Ack and whoever he has been arguing with...I think Cairath; Ack, thank you for being one of the most cooperative and understanding posters here despite your religious dedications!).
Anyway, sorry if people got the wrong idea...I'm not evil!
OPEN IT SHALL STAY...but I swear, if this becomes a flamewar, I am going to cry and say TOLD YOU SO!1!!!
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Shutpu cockgobbler! 
I agree. This has been an outstanding thread. Bravo to all involved. Especially me.
I agree. This has been an outstanding thread. Bravo to all involved. Especially me.
