Metalcore!!!!!!!!!!

[Left Among The Living]

Ok, I think this is starting to become more and more ridicolous. First of all, what exactly is a "metalcore" band? Unearth is known as a metalcore band. Bleeding Through is labelled metalcore. Now, what is the difference between In Flames and Unearth, for example? Or Soilwork and Killswitch Engage? Metalcore is the same thing as what we refer to as metal. It has nothing to do with hardcore at all. Sick Of It All is a hardcore band. Cro-Mags and Madball are hardcore bands. What the fuck does As I Lay Dying or Trivium have in common with those bands? The whole concept of metalcore, to me, is just a commercialisation of metal, with the singalong parts that the general public like, the melodic, thrashy riffs that people like, and mosh pit friendly riffs thrown in for good measure. In addition, so called metalcore bands often have a more fashionable dress sense than the regular thrash metal or death metal fan, which of course makes it even easier for the general public to identify with it. Now, I am not saying this because I am a hardcore goregrind elitist or something. I think the first Unearth album is really good, I like old Caliban and Heaven Shall Burn, and I occasionly put on the first Killswitch. But aren't these bands starting to sound the same? Isn't Unearth's latest album waaayyy to similar to In Flames' "Colony"? Can we take another album with those rehashed At The Gates riffs and Linkin Park choruses? I fear that melodic, thrashy metal is losing it's edge with all these bands coming out sounding alike, dressing alike, using the same equipment and same producers and all being named after a season, a weekday or a color. Please, John, Bjorn and all you other musicians. Make metal sound good again.

 

[VEHEMENCE]

Ok, I think this is starting to become more and more ridicolous. First of all, what exactly is a "metalcore" band? Unearth is known as a metalcore band. Bleeding Through is labelled metalcore. Now, what is the difference between In Flames and Unearth, for example? Or Soilwork and Killswitch Engage? Metalcore is the same thing as what we refer to as metal.

No fucking difference. Just people labeling stuff to get their ego trip going on within their music listening friend groups. Everyone has an opinion, yeah yeah, but its funny how some groups of kids all think alike, and start sounding the same after a while. Metal/Hardcore mixture but I have been hearing breakdowns for years bands from the past that are considered troo. Dimmu Borgir has tons of break downs!

What the fuck does As I Lay Dying or Trivium have in common with those bands?

Straight up Metal, its the fashion is what does it, phrases like doodcore, edgecore, all of that stuff fuels the core. I do remember seeing somewhere that AILD were concidered hardcore when they first started.

The whole concept of metalcore, to me, is just a commercialisation of metal, with the singalong parts that the general public like, the melodic, thrashy riffs that people like, and mosh pit friendly riffs thrown in for good measure. In addition, so called metalcore bands often have a more fashionable dress sense than the regular thrash metal or death metal fan, which of course makes it even easier for the general public to identify with it. Now, I am not saying this because I am a hardcore goregrind elitist or something.

I think the first Unearth album is really good, I like old Caliban and Heaven Shall Burn, and I occasionly put on the first Killswitch. But aren't these bands starting to sound the same? Isn't Unearth's latest album waaayyy to similar to In Flames' "Colony"? Can we take another album with those rehashed At The Gates riffs and Linkin Park choruses?

I fear that melodic, thrashy metal is losing it's edge with all these bands coming out sounding alike, dressing alike, using the same equipment and same producers and all being named after a season, a weekday or a color. Please, John, Bjorn and all you other musicians. Make metal sound good again.

You got it. We have a ton of material in the work, very melodic, will have lots of awesome rythems and solos. This one is going to be VERY GRIM sounding. Music to kill yourself too, tones that make you think about your horrible pathedic life lol.

 

[Elitist Jackass]

Ok, I think this is starting to become more and more ridicolous. First of all, what exactly is a "metalcore" band? Unearth is known as a metalcore band. Bleeding Through is labelled metalcore. Now, what is the difference between In Flames and Unearth, for example?

Vocal style, breakdowns, and more recently, Unearth can release albums that aren't trash.

Or Soilwork and Killswitch Engage? Metalcore is the same thing as what we refer to as metal. It has nothing to do with hardcore at all.

What the hell are you talking about? If you can't see the hardcore influence in metalcore bands then I wonder if you've ever heard hardcore.

Sick Of It All is a hardcore band. Cro-Mags and Madball are hardcore bands. What the fuck does As I Lay Dying or Trivium have in common with those bands?

-core.

The whole concept of metalcore, to me, is just a commercialisation of metal, with the singalong parts that the general public like, the melodic, thrashy riffs that people like, and mosh pit friendly riffs thrown in for good measure.

Um.. no. Metalcore is just how it sounds, metal mixed with hardcore. And not all metalcore bands have singalong choruses blah blah

In addition, so called metalcore bands often have a more fashionable dress sense than the regular thrash metal or death metal fan, which of course makes it even easier for the general public to identify with it.

They're commercial because they dress better than metal fans? What?

Now, I am not saying this because I am a hardcore goregrind elitist or something. I think the first Unearth album is really good, I like old Caliban and Heaven Shall Burn, and I occasionly put on the first Killswitch. But aren't these bands starting to sound the same? Isn't Unearth's latest album waaayyy to similar to In Flames' "Colony"? Can we take another album with those rehashed At The Gates riffs and Linkin Park choruses?

Wait, wait. You're basing assumptions on an entire genre based on the generic bands they play on MTV2? Sure, all those bands are generic as hell. But to say that all metalcore sounds the same because the mainstream shit on Ozzfest does, is retarded.

I fear that melodic, thrashy metal is losing it's edge with all these bands coming out sounding alike, dressing alike, using the same equipment and same producers and all being named after a season, a weekday or a color.

Hate to break it to you, but that's not much different than metal bands, aside from the name cliches.

Please, John, Bjorn and all you other musicians. Make metal sound good again.

I'm going to start a metalcore band named Autumn's Crimson Tuesday just for you.

 

[Left Among The Living]

Hello mr. E.Jackass.

You are a very, very funny and also very intelligent and nice man. I assume you have no relation at all to what I am talking about, since you have such need to nitpick at the small details in my post. Obviously In Flames and Unearth sound different. They are, as you felt the need to point out, two different bands. But to label one of them metalcore just because they have shouty vocals like Machine Head the metal band or Slayer the metal band seems to me as unnecessary. Soilwork have beatdown parts on their new (bad) record, and Machine Head sure as hell have mosh-friendly riffs. Pantera have them. Exodus and Anthrax used them 200 years ago. Yes I think that that common dress sense is a big part of the whole "genre" thing that I really, really hate. Also, I don't have either MTV or MTV2. I live in Norway. Here, my boy, are some of the bands that I find generic:

As I Lay Dying
All That Remains
Trivium
Unearth
The Agony Scene
Atreyu
Caliban
Heaven Shall Burn
Dead To Fall
Darkest Hour
Killswitch Engage
Still Remains
Bleeding Through
Shadows Fall
With Passion

Now, you can argue all you want that these bands are not alike and Atreyu sound different than Bleeding Through and you know of a really, REALLY good metalcore band in your particular habitat that sound nothing like Trivium or Unearth, but that is beside the point. I am also not saying that none of these bands are unable to write good tunes now and then, but they sure as hell are boring.

If you really, really, deep in your heart feel that I stepped over the line by critizising metalcore as a genre, while only naming a few of it's key performers, and that this genre is not a trend and that it needs to be respected and that it has a lot to offer the metal community with it's originality and all, then excuse me, dear Jackass.

 

[The8thPlague]

how is With Passion even close to metalcore... cuz they have short hair?
Listen to their cd.
Not one breakdown in it.
Blastbeats all over the place, keyboards, & very Black Metal topics they sing about.

 

[EmbersAstray83]

All That Remains
Shadows Fall
Darkest Hour
Trivium
and With Passion I do not consider metalcore

especially With Passion

 

[Merloch]

what the fuck? Those bands are the definition of metalcore

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

All That Remains
Shadows Fall
Darkest Hour
Trivium
and With Passion I do not consider metalcore

especially With Passion

i do, besides with passion, because ive never heard them

 

[Dreadful]

Metalcore is basically mixed styles of thrash metal...old school bay area thrash and gothenburg swedish thrash...very melodic...with hardcore vocals and occational death growls or clean singing. Sometimes the vocals sound real close to Tomas Lindberg of At the gates. The genre is mainly known for it's start stoppish Breakdowns written to make kids orgasm and flail their arms about. They also would involve more hardcore riffing. The disinction between the melodic death metal and metalcore are the pure death screaming...those who rarely listen to melodic death will not notice the difference between god forbid and dark tranquillity. The screaming is more witchy if you will or just in general, lower and pure and less hardcore sounding.

Metalcore really isn't too much different I guess and the reason why alot of metalheads just fucking despise the genre is that the style of guitar riffing has became so trendy. bands copying off each other without even knowing it's rooted to inflames. Alot of it's fans in 2001 or before would refuse to get into a dark tranquillity or an at the gates record because it was extreme metal and death metal (the music definitely was not considered cool then) then all of a sudden now with these bands coming out, it's all of a sudden really cool to get into that style and play it. It's become real popular and with it bearing the fashionable scenester look, people are getting more pissed.

I've ripped real hard on metalcore many, many times before and while I think most of the bands are generic and reallly should be more original, I really don't think people should just be so elitist about it. Because like, the black dahlia murder play straight up fucking gothenburg thrash, pure metal, and while it's not original at all...people hate them because of their clothes or because they look hardcore. I think that's pretty rediculous because they are a metal band really don't have any hardcore influence at all on their previous two records. Ok maybe the vocals sound 6.7% hardcore...so what?

I think bands like god forbid, unearth, killswitch engage are talented...I just wish they would write better songs and could be more original. Kse needs less of that breakdown shit

shadows fall and lamb of god are not metalcore.

goodnight

 

[The8thPlague]

worst Thread in this Forum.

 

[Birkenau]

Metal/Hardcore mixture but I have been hearing breakdowns for years bands from the past that are considered troo. Dimmu Borgir has tons of break downs!

Dimmu Borgir are considered 'troo'?


I'd have to somewhat agree with the original post, Vehemence is a very generic metal band (generic cheesy looking headbanging videos, very generic melo-death sound, blasphemous song titles...'Christ I fucking hate you'...c'mon?).

That being said I still enjoy listening to their cds.

 

[VEHEMENCE]

Hello my kangaroo riding friend, glad you still enjoy our material, even though you think its generic material. I’m looking forward to playing AU sometime. Dimmu, was true at some point, same with Hellhammer’s reputation back in the day with being occult. The band Raunchy from Denmark, they have a ton of break downs but are they farthest thing away from what the break down is considered here in America. Ah who knows, this thread is boring.

 

[EmbersAstray83]

for those of you who havent heard With Passion
check them out at http://www.myspace.com/withpassion


and Vehemence generic?
I dont know about anyone else but God Was Created was pretty god damn original sounding in my opinion

and to me metalcore is bands like
Prayer for Cleansing
Rifles At Recess
Unearth

All That Remains is just like a straight up metal band to me
same with Shadows Fall, Unearth, and Trivium, even though I dont like them I dont consider them metalcore

 

[VEHEMENCE]

I havent seen All That Remains in a long time. Heard they got some new members.

 

[PANTERAaddict101]

I agree with Left Among The Living. All these bands sound exactly the same. And they are all really boring. This includes With Passion. Lately I can't tell the difference between a "metal" band and a "hardcore" band because appearently every single band nowadays is a "metalcore" band... a bad metalcore band... Agh, and God Was Created is a completely original sounding album. I can't think of another song ever written that sounds like any song off that album...

 

[Damn them All]

Lemme tell you something true norsk norwegian boy.

What true black metal band doesnt sound like bathory? Darkthrone, burzum, mayhem, they all ripped off bathory.

If generics mattered in metal, then we wouldnt have alot of bands. Or genres, like "norwegian black metal".

 

[Death Aflame]

worst Thread in this Forum.

word.

The only decent metalcore acts are: The Red Chord, Between the Buried and Me, Buried Inside and Despised Icon.

 

[The8thPlague]

word.

The only decent metalcore acts are: The Red Chord, Between the Buried and Me, Buried Inside and Despised Icon.

You know why those bands are decent... Because THEY'RE NOT Metalcore!
What the hell makes them Metalcore??!!??
Because they have short hair...who cares.
Goddamn, people are stupid.
Those bands Barely even have breakdowns.
There's growling & blastbeats all over the place.

Jesus christ.

 

[Death Aflame]

You know why those bands are decent... Because THEY'RE NOT Metalcore!
What the hell makes them Metalcore??!!??
Because they have short hair...who cares.
Goddamn, people are stupid.
Those bands Barely even have breakdowns.
There's growling & blastbeats all over the place.

Jesus christ.

Woah settle down bud. They are metalcore, since they all have a clear hardcore influence. Just listen to the vocals or frequent hardcoreish breakdowns, while The Red Chord and Despised Icon do mix in a strong Death Metal influence as well you can still hear the core in their sound. BTBAM have a progressive edge mixed in with their sound, but again the vocals and numerous, obvious hardcore-esque chugga breakdowns give away their roots. Buried Inside show it through the typical vocal stylings (a yelling rasp, rather than growling or BM shrieks) and dissonant guitar tones.

The hardcore influenece is a fact in all these bands sound and thus what makes them metalcore rather than say melo-death. They still arguably fall under the metal umbrella IMO but their roots cannot be denied.

 

[VEHEMENCE]

I don't care of people clap to our band. I don't care if people dance to our band. I dont care if people jump when they play their guitar. If its heavy as fuck ill get into it. If its a Metal cORE band, and if its all of the above so be it. It has got to have some kinda heaviness to it.