Murderdolls

[TRrEiTxIxRiE DTrash]

I don't even like their costumes really. All I did was point out that they look influenced by Crue's Shout costumes and then go on to say that its good to see bands dressing up and doing shock rock again. So why would I like the band more because of their costumes when I don't even really like the costumes? They still look gay with their spikey boots and red dreadlocks etc and jumping around with their guitars around their knees.

It's because of the rock & roll influence in their sound that's why, combined with the stageshow, image, etc. I thought I made that clear in the first post, you know when I said they are better because the music sounds like rock & roll songs done in the new crap way. I don't even like them I still think they suck I just said I like it a bit better and it's good to see rock turning back in that direction.

You know I'm right now And that you started this whole argument because youmisinterpreted what I said. What's it matter anyway if I think Machine Head and Disturbed are gay? I'm not telling you not to listen to them, I'm just saying I'll stick to Poison.

The sky isn't blue at the moment either It's looking quite black to me hehe.

So.... answer my question from that other post then. Don't you agree that it's good to see bands putting on a show again?

Because if so... THAT IS ALL I MEANT BY MY POST and you've been picking it at for no reason at all lol. I've already successfully shot down all the other silly misinterpretations you wrote about lol.

 

[Winmar]

You should have seen Machine Head a few years ago though Trent. They've been gay for the last couple of albums, but before that they fucking ruled. I saw them in Nottingham in 97 on The More Things Changed tour, and they rocked more than any band I'd seen at the time. The only band I've seen since that matched them was Megadeth. MH were pretty average when they played with Slayer in 2001 though!

 

[TRrEiTxIxRiE DTrash]

Yeah I know their old stuff is alot better. I had The More Things Change for a couple of days because I bought it as a birthday present for a friend and had a listen before I gave it to him hahah. They just aren't my thing though.

 

[Winmar]

Fairy's muff.

 

[spawn]

What's it matter anyway if I think Machine Head and Disturbed are gay?

Because making judgements that bands are crap because they dont blow up a stage in fireworks, sing about sex and drugs or dress up is ridiculous. Its one thing to not like a genre, but you dont like it simply because its not the 80s. Same with grunge, and im sure whatever else comes along next, you will hate all of it because its not 1984 style, not because they are bad songs!

Just like I said before, a great song is a great song, but you seem to be trapped in this time warp that tells you that a great song HAS to be about "attitude", "sleaziness" or "rock and roll".

you know when I said they are better because the music sounds like rock & roll songs done in the new crap way. I don't even like them I still think they suck I just said I like it a bit better

You got that they were "rock and roll in a new crap way" from one live song and some outfits? <-- Me waving goodbye to your sanity
And again, they suck after just one live clip? But you like them more than any heavy band in recent memory because they sound closer to the 80s rock and roll than the new heavy bands? Even though, as you admit, the song supposedly sucks?

The Murderdolls song that you dont even like that you heard is better than Disturbed, MH and all the other bands because they dressed up and threw a few rock poses...

So as long as they want to bring back rock and roll and put on a stage show, thats all that matters, songs dont mean shit. THATS what you are saying, because you said you dont like the Murderdolls song, so all you liked was the outfits and the stage show, therefore they are the best band in the entire scene apparently.

 

[TRrEiTxIxRiE DTrash]

You're still missing the point.

I never said anything about not liking Disturbed and Machine Head because they aren't 80s. I don't like the songs. Are Iced Earth '80s? No. Do I like them? Yes. Understand? I don't like the songs, style, sound, production, vibe or attitude of Disturbed and Machine Head. It's nothing to do with them being '80s or not being glam. I don't only like glam, glam is just my favourite. I love Black Sabbath and they are as far away from flashy rock & roll as you can get.

And as far as grunge goes, I like Soundgarden, I think they're great. I AGREE that a good song is a good song no matter what it is. I love songs like Pretty Noose, Nothin' To Say, Hands All Over, and heaps of other Soundgarden songs. I also don't mind some Alice In Chains songs.

And for the 972360573206532th time I didn't say Murderdolls were better because they dress up. I said I like the song I heard better than anything I've heard by those other bands, even though I didn't like the song really.

Here is an example ok. I don't like Korn, and I also don't like Kid Rock. But I would prefer Kid Rock over Korn. Or another example... I don't like Madonna and I don't like Kylie Minogue, but I would prefer Madonna over Kylie. Get it????

I never said I like Murderdolls because of their costumes even though I don't like the song which is what yuo implied then. I said that I prefer them over the others but I don't like either. And I said judging by the song I've heard. That's one song out of one I've heard by them that I like better than any song by Machine Haed or Disturbed so judging by that, I would prefer Murderdolls but I don't like either. I thought that would've been easy to understand, obviously not.

You're the one who just assumed that I was saying Murderdolls are better coz they look '80s and I didn't mean that at all because they DONT look 80s anyway, they look crap. But for the 876345th time, it's just good to see bands doing it again.

You've just assumed a whole lot of things which were wrong and now you're twisting my words and repeating arguments which I've already shown to be invalid to cover up for it.

See, again there I've just shown that:

a) I obviously don't judge the bands just based on whether they are sleazy glam because I like heaps of stuff that isn't glam... Megadeth, Metallica, Iced Earth, Black Sabbath, etc etc etc and even Soundgarden and Alice In Chains at times. I also like some psychadelic rock from the '60s which is about as far from rock & roll as you can get and they usually sung about very serious issues.

b) That I haven't judged Murderdolls based on their look just coz I didn't like the song, because I don't even really like their look either. All I said was that I prefer it over other stuff I don't like. And I already proved earlier that I HAVE heard the other stuff I'm saying that I like it better than, full albums of it, which you argued that I hadn't and suggested that I do. Well I've heard it all plenty of times and don't like it. And I KNOW that I'm only judging it on one Murderdolls song, I'm not stupid that is obvious and I'm well aware that their other songs may suck even more. I simply thought that from the one song I have heard they seem to be better. I wouldn't think I'd have to have explained that in my original post, it SHOULD be obvious but not to you because you seem to have gone assuming things that are wrong.

Ok...

So just what is your problem with my post? Basically I started a thread about a band that you like, saying that although they aren't my thing, I respect what they are doing. Why don't you go back and re-read the original post and you should be able to see that! All I did was say something nice about a band you like, I didn't have any underlying messages in there it was innocent.

But no, for some reason you seemed to go out of your way to try and read things into it that weren't even there and just automatically assume the worst and just use it as an excuse to pick at the fact that I mainly listen to '80s music.

I'm not narrowminded about music, I don't dismiss things just because they aren't what I usually listen to. I just know what I like and don't feel a need to listen to something I don't like because "you should expand your horizons". Well if I don't like it, I don't see why I should be obliged to make an effort to like it when I can just listen to things I already like.

 

[spawn]

Is it just me or do their costumes look EXACTLY like a modern version of Shout At The Devil era Motley Crue??? Leather pants, torn fishnet tops with tattoos showing through the holes, spikes everywhere, dark lipstick, the bassist looked just like Nikki Sixx around '83 and even had the same bass Nikki used in some of Crue's clips!
Anyway yeah they aren't my thing but I would have to say they are definitely the best of the current bands in that whole mallcore/industrial/nu-metal thing, that whole heavy scene at the moment.

THATS the problem! How can they be the best of the current bands in the mallcore/industrial/nu-metal thing after only hearing ONE live song? They cant be, so cos they dressed up like a glam band, you think they are! THATS my point!

Noone is obliged to like anything, but I *hate* death metal vocals, but if I hadnt gone out and bought The Gathering by Testament I would have missed out on one of the greatest albums of all time! And you know what? About a year before I did, I downloaded a song off the album called The Fall Of Sipledome, had a listen to about 2 minutes of it and dismissed it as crap death metal. But you cant make a proper judgement on a band with only one song.

I HATE black metal vocals, but I still bought the Dragonlord cd, and lo and behold, its great too.

You can deny it all you like, but the bands looks and attitude are more important to you than a great song!

Anyway we have argued back and forth for too long, im going outside. Where the sky is blue

 

[TRrEiTxIxRiE DTrash]

Nope, looks and attitude don't replace a good song but they are a big bonus and do add something.

When I said "best", it is quite obvious that I mean "favourite" as there is no such thing as "best" anyway. And great songs don't even come into it because i haven't heard any great songs by any of the other bands. The best I've heard is songs I can tolerate. I could tolerate this Murderdolls song too... plus they had the attitude in addition to it.

That "best" comment anyway was just written without any thought that it would be analyzed. They obviously aren't the best I was just writing whatever came out and it should've been obvious that all I meant by it was that they sound like they'd be better than all the other bands. Is that better? That's all I meant. Of course I wouldn't KNOW they ARE better from one song so it should've been pretty obvious.

And about the costumes thing, it was just an observation about a similarity. I wasn't praising the band for being great because of it, I was saying that I noticed an influence there and found it interesting. Read that part again and you'll see.

And I do try out stuff that I don't think I'll like as well! I HATE death metal vocals sa well but I've tried out lots of bands who sound like they might be ok. I even bought a Dissection album! I kinda liked the music (didn't like the vocals) but I ended up trading the CD for records because I never listened to it. I do try things out, but if I don't like it, I don't try to convince myself that I like it or keep listening to see if I may grow to like it. I don't bother, I'll just spend my time and money on something I love.

Hopefully this is all settled now! For the love of god it was an innocent comment on a similarity to Crue in their costumes, and a hasty little remark that they sound like they'd be better than all the other bands which wasn't worded right but should've been obvious what I meant.

 

[mattt]

geez, how bout giving troops a break ey?!

And i like the Murderdolls, probably the only good band playing at the BDO this year (apart from the Foo's) (in my opinion)

 

[spawn]

They sky is still a lovely shade of blue

 

[Sydo]

F'king essays.

It's not like anyone ever has anything more to say than or anyway..

 

[spawn]

 

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