New Pro Tools Hardware

[Jarkko Mattheiszen]

I feel like a lot of guys had some expectation that this was going to be $500 with no hardware limitations which was completely and totally unrealistic on multiple levels.

I've said this a dozen times always when this is brought up, but I never expected that. Of course you can't have a $500 completely open professional grade Pro Tools system. I would, however, gladly pay a fair amount of money for a system, that doesn't force me to have a PCIe card in my computer whenever I want to launch the software. That's what most people wanted from HD Native, and that's completely opposite to what we got.

 

[drew_drummer]

I feel like a lot of guys had some expectation that this was going to be $500 with no hardware limitations which was completely and totally unrealistic on multiple levels.

How is that unrealistic? All the other DAW's manage to do it just fine! Yeah yeah yeah... policy policy, blah blah.

People were hoping that by the phrase 'HD Native' that it meant they were doing a concentrated version of the software, where you could use whatever hardware you wish, without limitation.

That is not unrealistic - it is the STANDARD since 2000. Avid need to get the fuck out of the 1980's and 90's. It is unrealistic to expect to survive in a market with a closed system, and the only reason they have done thus far is because of their older users propagating the PT art awesoumzz myth to the younger, and the younger lapping it up like bitches lapping up cum.

 

[greyskull]

It's unrealistic becuase it's avidesign.
I am however, looking at buying this. the upgrade from Le price is pretty good!

 

[Jarkko Mattheiszen]

It's unrealistic becuase it's avidesign.
I am however, looking at buying this. the upgrade from Le price is pretty good!

Where did you find the price for the upgrade?

 

[egan.]

How is that unrealistic? All the other DAW's manage to do it just fine! Yeah yeah yeah... policy policy, blah blah.

People were hoping that by the phrase 'HD Native' that it meant they were doing a concentrated version of the software, where you could use whatever hardware you wish, without limitation.

That is not unrealistic - it is the STANDARD since 2000. Avid need to get the fuck out of the 1980's and 90's. It is unrealistic to expect to survive in a market with a closed system, and the only reason they have done thus far is because of their older users propagating the PT art awesoumzz myth to the younger, and the younger lapping it up like bitches lapping up cum.

It's unrealistic to expect the most succesful DAW with the most successful anti-piracy system (closed hardware system) to forfeit their advantage just b/c you'd like it. Don't get me wrong, I'd like it too but that doesn't make it realistic as an expectation in the real world if you understand the situation.
You're a smart guy and I think you can appreciate the difference between a "justifiable hope" and a "realistic expectation."

 

[C_F_H_13]

2 funny things I just noticed..


1. Despite teh fact that it works with the 192/96/96i i/o's I can almost garantee that within a year or 2 that won't be the case (give how digi deals with old products)

2. It can't run heat. That' new saturation plugin......wtf?

 

[Jarkko Mattheiszen]

2. It can't run heat. That' new saturation plugin......wtf?

Yeah, that's really strange, but it would be easily explained by the fact that this is actually the new mid-range line we were expecting and new, more powerful HD cards are coming. That way the "real" HD system with TDM would remain the top-of-the-line system.

 

[crillemannen]

It's unrealistic becuase it's avidesign.
I am however, looking at buying this. the upgrade from Le price is pretty good!

do you have the price info??

 

[AudioGeekZine]

HEAT runs on the TDM chips, not hard to understand why that's not going to be available.

This system gets 64 i/o at 1.5ms latency or less at 88.2
No firewire or USB interface is gonna handle that. PCIe is the only way to do that right now.

Basically:
Evaluate your current system. What CAN'T you do that you want to. What will it take to fix it?

Options:
*continue working with your current system
*switch DAWs
*Upgrade

Support for 192 and 96 will continue until they start holding back progress.

We still haven't seen all that AVID has coming.

AES is in Nov
NAMM is in Jan

It's not inexpensive but what the fuck do you expect?

 

[phisk]

Everyone misses a few facts:

- latency below 12ms is not noticeable.

- noise below -70dbsFS is unnoticeable.



everything else is more about feelings and not facts.

This knowledge should make decisions much easier.

A lot of sonic improvements of the new avid hardware is useless.

Now send me your high end flames

 

[::XeS::]

They can at least do some discount price for m-powered users.... :|

 

[drew_drummer]

It's not really about it being expensive; it's just about it being a lacklustre product and not as groundbreaking as I wanted.

My final word on it really. Can't say much more than that.

 

[AudioGeekZine]

Everyone misses a few facts:

- latency below 12ms is not noticeable.

- noise below -70dbsFS is unnoticeable.



everything else is more about feelings and not facts.

This knowledge should make decisions much easier.

A lot of sonic improvements of the new avid hardware is useless.

Now send me your high end flames

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTlN6wjcvQ

Sorry but Ethan has been disputed on most of the points in the video. Look up what he uses for his gear and its pretty obvious why.

Latency is very noticeable between a buffer of 64 (3ms) and 512 (13ms).

 

[phisk]

Latency is very noticeable between a buffer of 64 (3ms) and 512 (13ms).

I said below 12ms.

Get the sound blaster relooping files he made. Be surprised.

 

[egan.]

Everyone misses a few facts:

- latency below 12ms is not noticeable.

This is actually debated.
Regardless of the debate, latency is also induced at the plugin stage so the lower spec the better.

Everyone misses a few facts:
- noise below -70dbsFS is unnoticeable.

Noise is induced at the mic, cable, pre, and converter so the lower spec the better.

 

[Jarkko Mattheiszen]

Everyone misses a few facts:

- latency below 12ms is not noticeable.

Does this even need to be commented? :zombie:

 

[phisk]

Does this even need to be commented? :zombie:

It does, because it is the most famous myth, that you can spot latency below 12ms.

 

[egan.]

Spot? I don't know. Feel? Definitely. I can feel a difference between 256 and 128 and 64 when tracking. I know intellectually that 12ms is only about 12 feet but it matters-- particularly w/ transient instruments with cans on. It's one thing if you are talking about tracking latency as a listener but it's another thing entirely if you're making the noise.

 

[phisk]

exactly, it is just a feeling.

 

[Mikaël-ange]

C'mon guys....what did you expect? I said to you what I predicted...
It's avid...if he would sell a native HD interface, the price would be the same of the current HD systems.....otherwise no one will buy the actual HD (dsp cards + interfaces).
Look at the price of the new M-box family...it's just insane! So do 2+2 and you have the possible price of a new native interface.
But moreover.....what's the difference from the actual HD and the new native? it's just ridicolous....you need a fucking pcie card in both the cases.

100%agree
Avid sell hardware, no software...
But it's a good new for me because current used HD price will cost a little less I hope.