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So I had my first group therapy session yesterday. It's a program called "Minfulness" that focuses on cultivating our abilities to "be in the moment" instead of constantly dwelling in the past or uncertain futures.

It was incredibly irritating, mostly in that it made me realize just how messed up my mind is. We spent 2 hours staring at raisins and lying on the floor trying to pay attention to our bodily sensations. The idea is that by focusing on these things and pulling our wandering minds back to it we thereby exercise our ability to focus attention and "be in the moment." It was awful. I couldn't feel any sensations and my mind just couldn't focus on things so meaningless as.

It was like we had to see beauty and meaning in the fact that we never stop to contemplate all the colors of a raisin or all the sensations we experience while eating it. All my mind could do was go elsewhere into some rational world tangentially related to the raisin, thinking that its colors were merely relative to how our brains interpret electromagnetic wavelengths, or how the raisin is a seed that contains some doomed Aristotelian or Hegelian potentiality.

It made me realize that I lack presence in pretty much everything I do. It's all a means to an end. Nothing is intrinsically meaningful to me anymore. Life is just a means to death. I'm failing to draw any spiritual fulfillment from contemplating the process or disinterested knowledge as for its own sake.

I'm glad that I'm not sedating myself anymore. Lately I've been able to produce when I have extrinsic obligations to do so (academic demands, mainly); but I wonder if the Adderral is making this severe ADD worse by making my brain dependent on it for focus at the expense of exercising its ability to do so on its own. Then again, the two could work in tandem toward the same goal. But here I am talking about ends without valuing the means.

I'm committed to this 8-week program. I have to set aside an hour a day for meditative practices, namely a "body scan" in which I lie down and listen to a recording that guides some exploration of my somatic sensations. I've recognized the problem, and that the solution seems so repugnant is the best evidence that it's a real problem. In the end perhaps I'll stop living this quasi-gnosticism that has estranged my mind not only from my own body, but from the whole world around me.
 
Sounds like the [nearly] inevitable result of a nihilistic and /or gnostic view. I have an acquiantance with a similar problem except he isn't into philosophy, so he's a nihilist and doesn't know it.

Although I'm not nihilistic, I do have issues with "living in the future" at the expense of the present. I often have to remind myself to stop and be thankful for the past future that is the present.
 
Nihlism should be redeemed as a method, not as a problem to be overcome.

As I referred to above, someone can suffer from nihilism as a problem and not even know what it is/understand it. Unless a new term is coined for this and the phenomenon is separately categorized, I don't see nihilism being redeemed as a method. Zeph offers further anecdotal evidence against.
 
I don't think people "suffer" from nihilism. Nihilism presents no position in which to suffer, especially the form of suffering Zeph's describing. The failure to fulfill one's values isn't a problem of nihilism, it's a failure of evaluative positions in the first place.
 
So I had my first group therapy session yesterday. It's a program called "Minfulness" that focuses on cultivating our abilities to "be in the moment" instead of constantly dwelling in the past or uncertain futures.

It was incredibly irritating, mostly in that it made me realize just how messed up my mind is. We spent 2 hours staring at raisins and lying on the floor trying to pay attention to our bodily sensations. The idea is that by focusing on these things and pulling our wandering minds back to it we thereby exercise our ability to focus attention and "be in the moment." It was awful. I couldn't feel any sensations and my mind just couldn't focus on things so meaningless as.

It was like we had to see beauty and meaning in the fact that we never stop to contemplate all the colors of a raisin or all the sensations we experience while eating it. All my mind could do was go elsewhere into some rational world tangentially related to the raisin, thinking that its colors were merely relative to how our brains interpret electromagnetic wavelengths, or how the raisin is a seed that contains some doomed Aristotelian or Hegelian potentiality.

It made me realize that I lack presence in pretty much everything I do. It's all a means to an end. Nothing is intrinsically meaningful to me anymore. Life is just a means to death. I'm failing to draw any spiritual fulfillment from contemplating the process or disinterested knowledge as for its own sake.

I'm glad that I'm not sedating myself anymore. Lately I've been able to produce when I have extrinsic obligations to do so (academic demands, mainly); but I wonder if the Adderral is making this severe ADD worse by making my brain dependent on it for focus at the expense of exercising its ability to do so on its own. Then again, the two could work in tandem toward the same goal. But here I am talking about ends without valuing the means.

I'm committed to this 8-week program. I have to set aside an hour a day for meditative practices, namely a "body scan" in which I lie down and listen to a recording that guides some exploration of my somatic sensations. I've recognized the problem, and that the solution seems so repugnant is the best evidence that it's a real problem. In the end perhaps I'll stop living this quasi-gnosticism that has estranged my mind not only from my own body, but from the whole world around me.

You sound like a friend of mine. He looks at consciousness as a mechanical function that serves a purpose in nature just like everything else. We have constant discussions debating the existence of a spirit soul, or a metaphysical consciousness, or whatever. Trying to be mindful and meditative practices are, honestly, going to do nothing for you as long as your world view is as such. You need to have an "awakening", of sorts, before you can take further steps toward self realization and "mindfulness". If your taking an elevator to the third floor, you cant skip over the first two on the way.

I could sit here and try to explain to you how the purpose of life is to experience, enjoy, and life is not just a means to death, but I know as well as anyone not to try and indoctrinate. I'm going to get flamed out for this but...what I think would benefit you is a spiritual experience. And the easiest way to induce a spiritual experience in the mind of a thinker is a psychedelic trip. I'm not suggesting you seek drugs to get high or for any real recreational purposes, but I'm going to say right now I used to be a complete atheist. I couldn't fathom the existence of "God" because I had the wrong idea of God. I had this picture in my head, and I was looking for one thing while God was completely something else. I couldn't find an ounce of meaning in life, and nothing I read or that anyone told me could change that. I had to see it for myself, I believe you do as well. Someone can teach you how to drive a car in conversation, or in a book, but until you get behind the wheel you won't learn. Psychedelic drugs served the purpose of the car for me. PM me if youd like some more information, because I can share a lot of personal experiences stemming from serious, non recreational use of psychedelics for spiritual growth.
 
I did have the spiritual experiences you speak of, mainly back in May when I was smoking pot with Kevin and Grant and I had several moments when I just "understood" and knew what God truly is. My interest in Neoplatonism is to a large extent an exploration of how Greek philosophy arrives at those types of self-realizations (what Sophocles would call synesis and the Neoplatonists henosis).

One reason I was acting so weird at MDF was because having been smoking most of the weekend I was becoming really spiritual and religious. I left MDF thinking I was going to turn my life around, join the Orthodox Church, and live a meaningful life. But then the residual THC started wearing off and I reverted to the debased Epicureanism that I've been usual living.

I can't touch pot anymore because the past couple times I've used it this summer it had the complete opposite effect, and it cast me into a Tartarus of anxiety, depression, and, the root of it all, an utter loss of working memory and ability to focus attention on anything either mental or physical.

What I've reduced myself to is someone who can talk about these experiences, these philosophies, but feel utterly cut off from practicing them, which is the whole point of these systems.
 
Some people slit their wrists to try and relieve the pain, but if they fail realise it's more painfull than life. And they want to live.
 
Some people slit their wrists to try and relieve the pain, but if they fail realise it's more painfull than life. And they want to live.

"cutting" is usually not about attempting suicide
most of the time, it's about feeling worthless, useless, powerless, faceless, invisible, sexually rejected, etc etc etc
when you're cutting yourself, it's not the same as a "pain addict" who gets their entire body covered in piercings/tattoos
when you're cutting yourself it's about re-aquiring control, you yourself control the blade, you control exactly where to cut, how deep/shallow, how long/short the length of the inciscion, you're in control over which type of instrument to use
you're in control of how long the sewing needle stays inside your arm
by cutting the blood vessels or cutting between them, you control how much/little bloodflow there is
some people avoid the bleeding-to-death by "cutting the nerves instead of the blood vessels" for them, "cutting the nerves" is much more a stabbing/burning than cutting, it's much more painfull than ripping open the bloodvessels, and "the phisical pain makes the emotional pain go away"
in other people, they will actually come sort of close to bleeding out, even though they're not trying to die, for them, seeing the blood gush-like-a-gyser helps, the wet, sticky, tactile sensation of feeling the blood from your forearm slide across the palm of the hand is even more exhilirating than anything else that person will ever experience, a very intense almost spiritual experience,

but most of these people are NOT actually trying to die
they want to live, they just have fucked-up shit going on with their lives and the cutting is a coping mechanisim for mental trauma
like "foxhole religion"

even some of the "cutters" that actually die are not actually trying to kill themselves
 
Going to try to go off Adderall this week. I suspect it might be perpetuating the problem by down-regulating my brain's dopamine production, which is a lot like what happened this summer when I was drinking way too much coffee and energy drinks during my summer job, and contributed to my cognitive deficiencies. ADD meds help focus, but at the expense of your brain's ability to generate that focus on its own (pharmacological axiom!).

I realized that the best I've felt the past two months was just after the weekend a month ago when I visited Schmidt and Bleull. The fact that it was the only time I wasn't on ANY medication (just came off antidepressants and about to start ADD meds) may have been meaningful.

Here's to hoping I don't cave and pop it in desperation. I have a meeting with a professor today to defend the in-class essay I wrote as part of my Greek exam last Friday. If I'm feeling like a zombie it may be very tempting. I should probably keep this stuff at home.
 
I'm on Sertralin, which has been the case since roughly 2008. Before that I was on Zoloft and before that I took Fontex (fluoxetine) starting the second year in high school, which was 1999. I feel great, baby!

No, actually, I don't. I need something else. This shit isn't enough.
 
Lazy as fuck this past weekend. Not giving a shit about this squib paper I'm writing, not giving a shit about any of my current homework. Just want to watch TV and eat food all day.

Whatever, I'll snap out of this shortly.
 
Are you all fucking psychos on some pills? Is this place a fucking asylum? You all talk about what pills each of you is on wtf as if it was normal. What the fucking fuck.