New Social Thread

[zabu of nΩd]

@Dodens I'm pretty sure money and oil are imperative to our survival as a result of drastic population growth and urbanization more than "because we made it so". Without some kind of new social structure catching on to plug the valve of human greed the same way money does, there's not really a conceivable alternative.

 

[Zephyrus]

Indeed. We live in a civilization now locked into teleological progress rather than a narrative reflection on the present and eternal, and that requires increasing levels of energy to fuel the linear progression of technology forward toward its confused goal of human betterment. On the on hand it increasingly benefits more the few who can afford it yet at the same time dilutes itself to serve the needs of an ever expanding majority. An identity crisis that is losing its ability to reflect, I'd say.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Which makes it convenient for the "owners of the means of production" if you will to keep everyone under control. Well that and the police institution of course, haha

 

[Jimmy... Dead.]

Indeed. We live in a civilization now locked into teleological progress rather than a narrative reflection on the present and eternal, and that requires increasing levels of energy to fuel the linear progression of technology forward toward its confused goal of human betterment. On the on hand it increasingly benefits more the few who can afford it yet at the same time dilutes itself to serve the needs of an ever expanding majority. An identity crisis that is losing its ability to reflect, I'd say.

Confused goal of human betterment..... Can you please elaborate?

 

[Vimana]

I think he means we have this idea of "better" or "more advanced" but we haven't exactly defined it.

 

[Jimmy... Dead.]

Sounds a bit defeatist to me.

I'd say the proper starting point is sustaining life by reason. Life as the essential root of value and values gained and kept by a constant process of action.

 

[Jimmy... Dead.]

is he joking?

 

[Zephyrus]

Confused goal of human betterment..... Can you please elaborate?

Aristotle and Nietzsche would have agreed that civilization is for the betterment of the few at the expense of the many....modern populists and idealists think it should be for the betterment of all.

 

[Der Morgenstern]

I disagree with his use of 'we' in that it was a collective choice made with equal contribution by all.

 

[Jimmy... Dead.]

Aristotle and Nietzsche would have agreed that civilization is for the betterment of the few at the expense of the many....modern populists and idealists think it should be for the betterment of all.

I would define them more as altruist.

 

[Zephyrus]

Altruism taken to an unnatural extreme. Genetically it is limited to tribes.

 

[Der Morgenstern]

Is he saying Nietzsche was an altruist? Nietzsche specifically stated that altruism was fluff.

 

[Zephyrus]

That is the complete opposite of what I said.

 

[Der Morgenstern]

I'm talking about what Jimmy just said. Nothing to do with you.

 

[Zephyrus]

He was referring to the 'populists and idealists' in my post.

 

[Der Morgenstern]

Christ.

 

[Jimmy... Dead.]

Yea the essence of the savages existence is public, governed by the laws of his tribe and in a progressive civilization the rule for the few is setting man free from other men. Individuality and civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy.

@ Der Mor No. I was talking about men today.

 

[Blind Guardian]

Indeed. We live in a civilization now locked into teleological progress rather than a narrative reflection on the present and eternal, and that requires increasing levels of energy to fuel the linear progression of technology forward toward its confused goal of human betterment. On the on hand it increasingly benefits more the few who can afford it yet at the same time dilutes itself to serve the needs of an ever expanding majority. An identity crisis that is losing its ability to reflect, I'd say.

Thesis fail!

 

[Zephyrus]

Alcohol win!

 

[Cronopio]

Suck my dick!