New Social Thread

@Dodens I'm pretty sure money and oil are imperative to our survival as a result of drastic population growth and urbanization more than "because we made it so". Without some kind of new social structure catching on to plug the valve of human greed the same way money does, there's not really a conceivable alternative.
 
Indeed. We live in a civilization now locked into teleological progress rather than a narrative reflection on the present and eternal, and that requires increasing levels of energy to fuel the linear progression of technology forward toward its confused goal of human betterment. On the on hand it increasingly benefits more the few who can afford it yet at the same time dilutes itself to serve the needs of an ever expanding majority. An identity crisis that is losing its ability to reflect, I'd say.
 
Which makes it convenient for the "owners of the means of production" if you will to keep everyone under control. Well that and the police institution of course, haha
 
Indeed. We live in a civilization now locked into teleological progress rather than a narrative reflection on the present and eternal, and that requires increasing levels of energy to fuel the linear progression of technology forward toward its confused goal of human betterment. On the on hand it increasingly benefits more the few who can afford it yet at the same time dilutes itself to serve the needs of an ever expanding majority. An identity crisis that is losing its ability to reflect, I'd say.

Confused goal of human betterment..... Can you please elaborate?
 
I think he means we have this idea of "better" or "more advanced" but we haven't exactly defined it.
 
Sounds a bit defeatist to me.

I'd say the proper starting point is sustaining life by reason. Life as the essential root of value and values gained and kept by a constant process of action.
 
Yea the essence of the savages existence is public, governed by the laws of his tribe and in a progressive civilization the rule for the few is setting man free from other men. Individuality and civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy.

@ Der Mor No. I was talking about men today.
 
Indeed. We live in a civilization now locked into teleological progress rather than a narrative reflection on the present and eternal, and that requires increasing levels of energy to fuel the linear progression of technology forward toward its confused goal of human betterment. On the on hand it increasingly benefits more the few who can afford it yet at the same time dilutes itself to serve the needs of an ever expanding majority. An identity crisis that is losing its ability to reflect, I'd say.

Thesis fail!