Non-gay bro thread a.k.a. Random offtopic stuff.

[Jester Slave]

I do. Trump is a bad person and, seriously, anyone voting for him is also a bad person.

By what metric? He is obnoxious, I agree. He is not a good politician (minus the charisma), I agree. But what on earth makes him such a person that you would immediately associate all of his voters as bad? And remember, you do not have to like Trump to vote for him. Same goes for Biden, many Biden voters do not like him, they just chose him over Trump.

It is easy to blame Trump voters, but Trump is a sympton, not the cause.

Talk all you want about American policy, it’s true there are flaws domestically and internationally. But for those of us US citizens, we’ve never had a president acting so close to a dictator. US was started because we didn’t like kings. No idea why half the country wants one now. It surely isn’t constitutional.

This is some silly twitter opinion. Trump was never a dictator, the US democratic system is just too damn strong for any president to be a dictator. It's actually sad that people believe these propaganda statements, though to be fair, Trump operated by same bullshit things, like his invention of fake news.

Trump was divise and he was dividing, that is true. He was almost like a necessary evil so politicians must be forced to come up with better president candidates. But no, Trump was not even good for that, because with Biden the US will going to back at the same shit. Possibly even worse, and the only thing which will change is the communication. Basically it is okay to be a worse US president than Trump as long as you can communicate pissing on your own people in a much more gracious way.

If Trump could have behaved like a decent human being, he would not even be ranked among the worst ever US presidents.

The social media bans are the controversial topic. I think the bans make it harder to monitor what’s going on. And by banning now we are letting the terrorists and their supporters (Russia, China) win by flirting with censorship. We always criticized everyone else for that.

I’m also worried this is an early Hitler situation, where he was initially “banned” and jailed, then came back even stronger.

There is absolutely no way for a Hitler situation. The US has bipartisanship when it comes to sucking up to their rich. No one wants a serious inner turmoil, they just want to continue this cat and mouse game forever.

Bets are on whether Biden will lick China's ass once Trump is removed. Oh, that loveable old fella,Biden!

 

[Jester Slave]

I think, that the best way of acting is to make the guy a joke. No one wants to follow a joke. So, instead of banning him expose him for the buffoon that he is.

I think you know why they banned him. They simply do not need him anymore. They profited off from his racism, sexism, etc. for 4-5 years and now a new government is about to come. It's time to suck up to them.

You know, if twitter banned him years ago, I would've agreed to them; there has to be a line in free speech, especially if you have a vast influence. But to do it now? Pathetic. They just want to farm some sympathy points. Wow, how brave of them to finally ban the us president once he is a few days from giving up his seat.

 

[eochaid]

By what metric? He is obnoxious, I agree. He is not a good politician (minus the charisma), I agree. But what on earth makes him such a person that you would immediately associate all of his voters as bad? And remember, you do not have to like Trump to vote for him. Same goes for Biden, many Biden voters do not like him, they just chose him over Trump.

You mean that voting for a racist elitist suprematist nationalist misogynistic and pedophile cunt that defends white terrorism and seeks for the support of neo Nazi groups has nothing to do with being a bad person?

 

[eochaid]

I think you know why they banned him. They simply do not need him anymore.

They banned him because he was praising the violent people who tried to do a coup d'tat. That's why.

 

[Jester Slave]

They banned him because he was praising the violent people who tried to do a coup d'tat. That's why.

Nah, he had worse tweets than that. He was threatening to nuke a country ffs. Twitter and Facebook are slimey pieces of shits and only do this because Trump is about to leave office. If he had won reelection, he'd still have his account.

You mean that voting for a racist elitist suprematist nationalist misogynistic and pedophile cunt that defends white terrorism and seeks for the support of neo Nazi groups has nothing to do with being a bad person?

Some of those accusations are just that, accusations. As for the rest, yes, you are free to vote for him and not be a bad person. I mean, if coting for him makes you a bad person, then voting for Biden is the same. He is simply well-mannered. Maybe he'll get a Nobel peace prize for bombing civilians as well? I hope we get to see some best of drone strikes compilation by the end of 2024, just to really hammer home how much better he is than Trump.

I am also curious about the migrant crisis. I mean, I am sure that unlike that bastard, xenophobic Trump, Biden (you know, the guy who built those "death camps") will let every family into the US. Imagine if he were to turn back even just one of the families...

Come on, don't be so naive. You are choosing between pieces of shits. Sure, I believe Biden is a good person BUT he is still just a slave to the needs of his party, and he will be condemnable for EVERYTHING he puts his signature onto.

edit: also, you can vote just for his policies alone

 

[galvanized]

This is some silly twitter opinion. Trump was never a dictator, the US democratic system is just too damn strong for any president to be a dictator. It's actually sad that people believe these propaganda statements, though to be fair, Trump operated by same bullshit things, like his invention of fake news.

Making up lies and forcing them to be “true” is dictatorship. Forcing people to support him under threat of violence is dictatorship. Just like he’s doing to the Republican Party. Many don’t want him anymore, but if they renounce them they will get hurt. Look at Pence. All those guys. If they denounce Trump they have a very real threat of violence against them. Not respecting peaceful transition of power, a pillar of American Democracy, is dictatorship.

 

[Jester Slave]

Dictatorship is when you can do whatever you want because you wield all the power.

Being a petulant child and a sore loser does not make you a dictator. I mean, it is paradoxical to call someone a dictator who is about to be removed from office through a democratic election.

 

[eochaid]

Nah, he had worse tweets than that.

He had, that day, incited the masses to go to the capitol and do what they did. Then he praised them. I don't think that there anything worse that he could have done.

Some of those accusations are just that, accusations. As for the rest, yes, you are free to vote for him and not be a bad person

All of those accusations have evidence enough behind of them.

if coting for him makes you a bad person, then voting for Biden is the same

Lol. I know that you like being edgy but this is just too much. You're just being stubborn on purpose. Biden, or the democrats, have never called upon the masses to subvert democracy and had never tried to use the justice to subvert democracy. Biden does not call for the support of neonazis and does not justify violence for his own interest. Biden does not use a bible to raise the rage of his supporters.

Trump is the one to be blamed for the events at the capitol, and the deaths of the capitol and, if something worse had occurred, he would be the one to be blamed for.

 

[eochaid]

Dictatorship is when you can do whatever you want because you wield all the power.

Being a petulant child and a sore loser does not make you a dictator. I mean, it is paradoxical to call someone a dictator who is about to be removed from office through a democratic election.

Election that he's actively trying to bring down. He's not a dictator because he doesn't behave the means and support.

 

[galvanized]

Dictatorship is when you can do whatever you want because you wield all the power.

Being a petulant child and a sore loser does not make you a dictator. I mean, it is paradoxical to call someone a dictator who is about to be removed from office through a democratic election.

Ok so let’s call it this then:
Aspiring dictator

I never want to get any closer in my lifetime.

 

[eochaid]

Ok so let’s call it this then:
Aspiring dictator

I never want to get any closer in my lifetime.

Well, jester is close to an aspiring dictator and parody of Trump. So, maybe, for him that kind of behaviour is the natural thing.

 

[galvanized]

Now I see politics is more about personality types and emotions than anything else.

 

[eochaid]

Politics is, or should be, mostly, about the voter's own interest. But the politicians, lately, specially the alt right and far left populism, have found that polarizing people is an easy way for them to reach the government's. So it has become like religion or football. Less about thinking and more about feelings and being part of a group.

 

[Jester Slave]

He had, that day, incited the masses to go to the capitol and do what they did. Then he praised them. I don't think that there anything worse that he could have done.



All of those accusations have evidence enough behind of them.



Lol. I know that you like being edgy but this is just too much. You're just being stubborn on purpose. Biden, or the democrats, have never called upon the masses to subvert democracy and had never tried to use the justice to subvert democracy. Biden does not call for the support of neonazis and does not justify violence for his own interest. Biden does not use a bible to raise the rage of his supporters.

Trump is the one to be blamed for the events at the capitol, and the deaths of the capitol and, if something worse had occurred, he would be the one to be blamed for.

The left has figuratively and literally fanned the flames during the BLM protests. Same dice, different side. If you believe just for a moment that any of these sides give a fuck about the people, you are naive. Yes, there are individual politicians who do, but the higher they climb on the ladder, the more shackles are being put onto them. At the end of the day the POTUS will do as his/her investors please.

Also, want to bet if Trump will serve prison for pedophilia? Come on now, Clinton had much worse rape charges against him.

Now I see politics is more about personality types and emotions than anything else.

Always has been. Just look across the board how blinded people get. People were happy that they had shitty healthcare under Trump, because it was at least Trump, hell yeah, maga!!! Now different people will be happy to have the same shitty healthcare under Biden, because hell yeah, finally a president from the blue party is fucking our asses instead from a red one! Yaay!

 

[eochaid]

The left has figuratively and literally fanned the flames during the BLM protests.

Someone had died at the hands of the police Jester. Someone had died. And there are pictures and videos enough about the police brutality during the protests. So don't make me laugh.

Also, want to bet if Trump will serve prison for pedophilia? Come on now, Clinton had much worse rape charges against him.

Rape? I don't remember that. Abuse of his position? Yes. Still, Clinton didn't invite the masses to keep his position or supported neonazi groups.

Trump won't go to jail because there was an agreement. And, the fact that Clinton couldn't keep his dick inside of his pants doesn't make him a better person. I wonder if you're seriously defending the guy or is just discussing because you like it

 

[Jester Slave]

Someone had died at the hands of the police Jester. Someone had died. And there are pictures and videos enough about the police brutality during the protests. So don't make me laugh.



Rape? I don't remember that. Abuse of his position? Yes. Still, Clinton didn't invite the masses to keep his position or supported neonazi groups.

Trump won't go to jail because there was an agreement. And, the fact that Clinton couldn't keep his dick inside of his pants doesn't make him a better person. I wonder if you're seriously defending the guy or is just discussing because you like it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_sexual_assault_and_misconduct_allegations pick one you like

And yes, democrats did fan the flames for BLM. What started as a protest against police brutality, quickly escalated into mindless vandalism. Listen, I do not blame the politicians on the left: the ones on the right would have done the same. Still, this was a very convenient way to light the nation up in fire and blame it on the incompetent Republicans. But hey, Biden and his cop VP will have 4 years to make police reforms. If they are serious about the cause, they will have results within a few years, right?

I only defend Trump because he is like an easy punchbag. He is a shit person, but if someone thinks he is the root of these problems, they are simply wrong and just found him as an easy way out. There should be a lesson from this Trump-presidency and the lesson should not even have Trump's name in it. It is not about him. It is about how could he have been elected and how can this many people still support him? You can't say say "eeeey, they are stupid!!!". I find that ignorant. People are fed up for some reason. I think if the political climate won't change, then nations (not just the US) risk the possibility of electing someone much more evil, much more capable than Trump. Trump was a clown and could still be the leader of the US fucking A.

 

[eochaid]

And yes, democrats did fan the flames for BLM. What started as a protest against police brutality, quickly escalated into mindless vandalism.

Lol. You forget, on purpose, all of the footage about police brutality against peaceful protesters and the footage of undercover policemen starting riots disguised as protestants.

But, what about Hilter? You still didn't mention Hitler. So, Trump didn't kill 6 million Jews and that makes him a good guy. Apart from being a misogynistic pedophile, a supremacist defender of white terrorism, a supporter of Nazi groups and a guy who incited the masses to start a failed coup d'tat. But, apart from this, he's a good guy. Well, he took public healthcare away from people, didn't pay his taxes and was banging a pornstar while his third wife was about to give birth to his child. But, apart from this, he's a good guy who would never bomb foreign countries but Syria because he felt like that and a high rank of the Iranian regimen because he also felt like that. He also kept on giving support to Saudi Arab so that they keep on killing people at Yemen and said that commercial treats with the Arabs were important enough to not care about the brutal death of a Journalist commanded by the heir prince of Saudi Arab. But, apart from this, he's a good guy. I mean, he wants to bang his own daughter and had an agreement to to not go for a trial after fucking a 13 years old girl but, apart from this, he's a good guy. Despite speaking to white nationalism and supremacism he's probably a good guy. I mean, who did not do things like that before. Also, he's trying to stop China's commercial expansion while asking them to buy American cereals just to help him on the re election. And he tried to boicot the mail votes because he new the people voting for the democrats were going to use that method because of covid and then tried to stop those votes from being counted and then said without any evidence that the election was a fraud knowing that would rise violence and then he provoked that same violence and praised the violenta saying that would be a day to remember.

But, I'm sure that, apart from this, he's a good guy and the people voting for him are not radical nationalists and racists that like to hold their guns in one hand while holding the bible in the other hand. Because, apart from supporting him, not the republican party or right wing ideas, just him, I'm pretty sure that they're good guys.

At least, that's how they like to think of themselves and, people like you, with your discourse, are help them to spread those ideas. But, I guess, that's to be expected knowing who's your president and how Hungary is becoming more and more a country of nationalistic racist homophobic cunts. But, apart from that, Hungary is a nice place.

 

[eochaid]

Now, you want a reason for this to happen? The reason is that the world is full of bad people, and, until now, those bad persons never have had their voices being represented by the politicians or the media, so they tend to support the side that was nearer to their interests. But now, they have Trump, Bolsonaro, Orban or Erdogan that are giving voice to their thoughts, and they came to understand that they are higher in numbers from what they thought, so they feel encouraged.

Corruption is an excuse. The people that they're voting for are even more corrupt than the politicians.

And, the worst part, is that the traditional parties don't have an answer to that apart from being stupid. That's especially harmful when we talk about the left because the left doesn't understand a shit about the thoughts of the people. So they come with those stupid messages about no frontiers and immigration and respect for certain awful ideologies and, let me tell you this, many leftist voters don't agree with that. But they don't understand that because they think of themselves as some kind of Messiahs if the new world order. So people is leaving them. The good people has no voice to represent them while the cunts have Trump and many others.

 

[Jester Slave]

But, apart from that, Hungary is a nice place.

You know, it's all a matter of perspective. We may what we have now, but you people don't know about the 8 years that preceded it. It's a response to your second post as well, because you seem to reach the conclusion that people like Trump or Orbán are elected into office because bad people can finally vote.

The truth is, they got into office because of the failure of others. During the 8 years of leftist government, we had 3 prime ministers. The first could not even speak properly and when it was found out that he used to be a Soviet spy, he resigned. Then Gyurcsány got elected, who was very charismatic but full of bullshit just like Orbán. They had to form a coalition with the liberal party in order for majority to govern, and they robbed the country dry. They sold everything to foreign investors, basically our country became a whore. Everything was up for sale to stuff their pockets. The politicians in the government were arrogant and the reason they even won the election was because they flat out bribed everyone with the 13th month salary. Who wouldn't want a 13th month salary? Little did anyone knew that we simply did not have the budget to uphold it, so when the great depression hit, we fell big.

But there were ridiculous lies, like one leftist minister spelling out (like we were retarded) slowly that there will be no tax raise. A few months after they won the election they raised numerous taxes like gas and electricity. He had his infamous leaked speech where he talked with his party about how they lied "night and day" and this can not go on anymore. Now, many people actually look at him as a saviour for daring to say the truth, but it rings hollow AFTER they've just won the elections by these lies. Not to mention, after went to the streets (and yes, it was provoked and flamed by the right, same shit like during BLM in the US, just with reverse positions) he refused to resign. He tanked his and his party's image. Do you know when he finally resigned? When the economic crisis hit, so it was the third prime minister who had to announce the bad news, like no more 13th month pension and salary.

And do not even let me go about corruption, it was the same shit as now with the exception of them being more amateurish. I mean, they actually had one of their member jailed.

Orbán got his unlimited power from his biggest political opposition + helped out by the economic crisis. It is so easy to blame the people now and type all the bullshit I read about my country, but it's like no one gives a fuck about what preceded it all. Same thing with Trump. A fucking clown does not just appear in the White House and it is sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ignorant to say that the answer is bad people are voting now.

And do not forget the UK. I don't think they are getting half the shit they deserve. I am always speechless when my countrymen are talking about western democracy. Holy shit, just look at the UK.

 

[Jester Slave]

You motherfuckers made me lose myself in the depths of Youtube hell and I'Ve actually watched some snippets from our 2006 presidential debate.

Orbán: Hungary's health-care is shit, we spend way under the EU's average, you have to put more money into it, we would. Also, we heard that you want to introduce a recipe-fee.

Gyurcsány: Interesting, in 98' (before Orbán won) you promised you will double the salary of healthcare workers. What happened with it? Also, that is such a lie that we want to introduce a recipe-fee! Take it back! You can't possibly want to win an election on the back of lies? That would be a cheated election! Take it back!!

Yes, the guy who a few months after this election admitted privately that they were lying night and day, was actually scolding Orbán about trying to win an election based on lies. Oh, and the funny thing? They DID introduce that fee, it just had a different name lmao. And to be fair, in hindsight, it was actually a great idea for many reason, but eventually got voted down by the people.

Anyway, lies upon lies on both sides. One thing remained though: our healthcare is dogshit. This was 14 years ago. These men and their governments had a combined 23 years to do something. Similar shit in the US with healthcare. No one really wants universal healthcare because it would benefit the average joes and big healthcare corporations would lose money.