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System of a Down ain't really nu-metal, it ain't quite metal either. They are kinda on their own. They rock, the only thing I don't like is their backup singer.
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Ormir
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From dill's article:
Are you arguing that the SOLE reason Mayhem has released so few albums is because they were too busy attending to their image to actually make music? Or could it occur to you that it might be because of the suicides, murders, jail convictions and various member changes the band went through in their history? For the record, Mayhem have released FIVE official live albums, three of which have been released in a row by the "new" (post-Euronymous) Mayhem; Live in Marseille (2001), European Legions (2001), US Legions (2001), Mediolanum Capta Est (1999), and Live in Leipzig (1991).
They were formed in 1986, not 1987.
Mayhem have fourteen official releases, not nine.
Are you arguing that the SOLE reason Mayhem has released so few albums is because they were too busy attending to their image to actually make music? Or could it occur to you that it might be because of the suicides, murders, jail convictions and various member changes the band went through in their history? For the record, Mayhem have released FIVE official live albums, three of which have been released in a row by the "new" (post-Euronymous) Mayhem; Live in Marseille (2001), European Legions (2001), US Legions (2001), Mediolanum Capta Est (1999), and Live in Leipzig (1991).
They were formed in 1986, not 1987.
Mayhem have fourteen official releases, not nine.
Russell
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dill_the_devil
OneMetal.com Music Editor
Thanks everyone for all the opinions on my article!
Ormir - in regards to Mayhem, I was focusing on full-length releases rather than EPs and such-like - which is why I specified 'albums' as opposed to 'releases'. Also, yes, all those events would undoubtedly cause disruptions in recording - but my point was more that people argue that more attention is given to nu-metal bands because of their appearance or whatever rather than their music, but the same, to me, seems to be true of Mayhem - how many people would be listening to them over, say, Satyricon and Thorns (who took five years as I remember to release their debut) if it weren't for the intriguing exploits of the members? I'm not denigrating Mayhem's music, just pointing out that extreme metal bands have too, in the past, gained more attention through reasons other than music.
The Deathrace King - I can tell you that Slipknot's masks and suits aren't their most memorable aspect, because to me, they're not. I actually wish the band had never resorted to them, because in my opinion the music stands up well enough without it. Admittedly, the riffs were very simplistic on the first (Roadrunner-released) album, but on Iowa the guitarists in particular seemed to be breaking free a little more of Ross Robinson's influence, which in my opinion is stifling the band.
Also, fair enough - perhaps I should replace 'underground' with extreme - my usage of the term was flawed... and there's no real reason why extreme metal bands' videos couldn't be shown on specialist programmes after watershed hours - the problem would be getting the finance to pay the programmes to play them! Most independant labels can't afford that kind of promotion - to get some idea of how much it costs, just try finding out how much a label has to pay to get one of their band's tracks on a metal magazine's covermount... Terrorizer's fairly cheap in that respect (£300 if I remember rightly), whereas Kerrang! charge exorbitant fees.
Russell - you're quite right about that 'it cannot be argued' bit - damn my typo-spreading fingers! Glad you liked the article - why not write a companion 'Second Opinion'-style piece or something?
Hope this post clears up a few questions. Any further feedback/criticism is welcomed.
Ormir - in regards to Mayhem, I was focusing on full-length releases rather than EPs and such-like - which is why I specified 'albums' as opposed to 'releases'. Also, yes, all those events would undoubtedly cause disruptions in recording - but my point was more that people argue that more attention is given to nu-metal bands because of their appearance or whatever rather than their music, but the same, to me, seems to be true of Mayhem - how many people would be listening to them over, say, Satyricon and Thorns (who took five years as I remember to release their debut) if it weren't for the intriguing exploits of the members? I'm not denigrating Mayhem's music, just pointing out that extreme metal bands have too, in the past, gained more attention through reasons other than music.
The Deathrace King - I can tell you that Slipknot's masks and suits aren't their most memorable aspect, because to me, they're not. I actually wish the band had never resorted to them, because in my opinion the music stands up well enough without it. Admittedly, the riffs were very simplistic on the first (Roadrunner-released) album, but on Iowa the guitarists in particular seemed to be breaking free a little more of Ross Robinson's influence, which in my opinion is stifling the band.
Also, fair enough - perhaps I should replace 'underground' with extreme - my usage of the term was flawed... and there's no real reason why extreme metal bands' videos couldn't be shown on specialist programmes after watershed hours - the problem would be getting the finance to pay the programmes to play them! Most independant labels can't afford that kind of promotion - to get some idea of how much it costs, just try finding out how much a label has to pay to get one of their band's tracks on a metal magazine's covermount... Terrorizer's fairly cheap in that respect (£300 if I remember rightly), whereas Kerrang! charge exorbitant fees.
Russell - you're quite right about that 'it cannot be argued' bit - damn my typo-spreading fingers! Glad you liked the article - why not write a companion 'Second Opinion'-style piece or something?
Hope this post clears up a few questions.
Any further feedback/criticism is welcomed.
Ormir
Senior Member
If you're counting albums only, then you are even more wrong, since they have two. De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas and Grand Declaration of War.
dill_the_devil
OneMetal.com Music Editor
Just checked, and you're quite right... that's the last time I rely on Allmusic.com alone for my research... they list Pure Fucking Armageddon, Deathcrush, Dawn Of The Black Hearts, Live In Leipzig, Wolf's Lair Abyss, Mediolanam Capta Est and US Legions as albums as well, when the shortened tracklist of most of these suggests 'EP' instead.
I'll post a footnote explaining the error on the article as soon as possible, and credit you for pointing it out. Thanks!
I'll post a footnote explaining the error on the article as soon as possible, and credit you for pointing it out. Thanks!
Russell
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Originally posted by dill_the_devil
Russell - you're quite right about that 'it cannot be argued' bit - damn my typo-spreading fingers! Glad you liked the article - why not write a companion 'Second Opinion'-style piece or something?
I was going to suggest that I also thought of another reason for possible elitism - death metal due to the nature of the music needs greater technical skills than nu-metal, which needs (in general) better song-writing skills, so many death metallers may give that as a reason for the feeling of superiority..
dill_the_devil
OneMetal.com Music Editor
Go for it - sounds like you've got enough material for a good piece already! Research a little more thoroughly than I did though, kay? Hehehe...
I Dont like anything but Black Metal(maybe a few Doom metal)
So I think ALL Nu-Metal is a pile of shit!
So I think ALL Nu-Metal is a pile of shit!
blakmetalemp
Armed to the teeeettthhh!
capeda
Eric the Halibut
Mudvayne has one hell of a bassist (influenced by John Pattitucci, he says) and some good songs (Prod and Death Blooms)
And Ive heard a few Pulse Ultra songs that seem interesting.
I don't hate all mallcore bands, I just don't like them enough to buy their cds or even really listen to them. As a genre, its extremely limiting to truly good bands. And the fact that some of the more talented bands would sink to playing this stuff kinda bugs me.
And Ive heard a few Pulse Ultra songs that seem interesting.
I don't hate all mallcore bands, I just don't like them enough to buy their cds or even really listen to them. As a genre, its extremely limiting to truly good bands. And the fact that some of the more talented bands would sink to playing this stuff kinda bugs me.
Russell
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Hehe, innit. The thing's written (I didn't do muc research, just gave my opinion
) When I've read it through I'll mail you a copy