Nu Metal singers- Are they a major reason for Nu-Metals Popularity?

[97reb]

There are some Nu-metal bands with crappy music and some Nu-metal bands with crappy singers. I don't know of any Nu-metal band I like, because none of them have both a great singer and great music. One band that is close is Beyond The Embrace. The music is awesome, and they kicked butt live, except for those vocals, They just were not original or inspiring or anything but blah, like a lot of Nu-metal IMO.

 

[Reign in Acai]

Ok first off drowning pool kicks ass. Rest in peace my brutha.

2nd SOAD is the worst fn band i ever heard. I cant stand these fucks. I rather listen to rap. Thats how bad they are.

 

[dill_the_devil]

Drowning Pool were a decent band - not brilliant, not terrible, just decent. I met Dave Williams about three months before he died (it was at the UK Ozzfest 2002, not sure of the exact date), and we got chatting about Opeth and Borknagar... so he really was into extreme metal, but his tastes ran to old, traditional, riff-centric metal too...

 

[LuminousAether]

If you consider Glassjaw nu metal, Daryl Palumbo has one hell of an awesome voice. That guy from 36 Crazyfists has a good voice too. Brandon Boyd of Incubus has a pleasant voice as well. And that guy from The Apex Theory...

But I hate the vocalist for Godsmack and that ape in Disturbed. The guy from Slipknot is very convincingly lacking in talent as well. And Jon Davis and Fred Durst... two of the most irritating pieces of shit to walk the Earth.

 

[dill_the_devil]

I thought Glassjaw were more melodic hardcore myself... agreed on 36 Crazyfists. As for Brandon Boyd... his voice has always struck me as somewhat forced - like, he didn't have a lot of natural ability or range, but he's been trained up to push that as far as it'll go - notice how much he punches himself in the chest when going for the upper register on live/performance videos?

 

[Disturbed4ntics]

Jon Davis and Fred Durst... two of the most irritating pieces of shit to walk the Earth.

What did Jonathan ever do to you?

 

[Disturbed4ntics]

I thought Glassjaw were more melodic hardcore myself... agreed on 36 Crazyfists. As for Brandon Boyd... his voice has always struck me as somewhat forced - like, he didn't have a lot of natural ability or range, but he's been trained up to push that as far as it'll go - notice how much he punches himself in the chest when going for the upper register on live/performance videos?

No, but David punches himself a lot. He really is an ape. He beats his chest like Tarzan. I saw them live. I know this.

 

[dill_the_devil]

LMAO - I'll agree there, I've seen them twice now... second time was really funny, because David's microphone was silent for the entire of the first song... strange how well they work as an instrumental band... hehehe

 

[C-Taylor]

but theres a difference between commercialization of bands making them nu metal, if arch enemy was in the mainstream as well and since it would become commercialized that means the nu metal as well? i think not since in flames and arch enemy have been around longer then slipknot, mudvayne, linkin park, disturbed and the rest of the nu metal bands, what makes them nu metal is the music they play, since all of these bands have a certain similarity between them in their music, the catchyness, the mellow voice, rapping, the boring, simple song structure all makes them similar

Dont put words in my mouth. I never mentioned a band being mainstream meaning its numetal, I said its a reason. Arch Enemy and In Flames are pretty big in the leap of unknown to mainstream, both bands are known names, If they where given the oppurtunity to tour like numetal bands, do radio and TV interviews like a numetal band, they would be just as well known with the same amount of records sold as Slipknot, Mudvayne and others.

Rapping doesnt make numetal, thats rapcore.
You can call it whatever, its not numetal, thats like calling a black metal band death metal.

 

[AjDeath]

How about American Head Charge's singer? He's quite clearly overdosed on Angel Dust-era FNM, but still, he can hold a note... also, Manning from (now-defunct) British nu-metallers Vacant Stare - he actually went and got singing lessons before they released their debut, and it seemed to make all the difference.

Allright, now you've done it, you mentioned American Head Cheese, this IS the WORST band I have ever seen live, and their music is right up there with Boy Geoge in my book, i.e. pure feltcher material. WHy SLayer ever took them on tour is waaaaaay beyond me.

 

[MightyDrynwhyl]

yeah in flames and arch enemy are known names in mainstream but i highly doubt theyll be anywhere near as popular as the nu metal crap without compromising their sound, and im starting to see in flames and soilwork do this

rapcore is just a form of nu metal taking the rapping to extremes, i have yet to hear a nu metal band where the "singing" hasnt been influenced in any way by rap

and btw, theres several black/death metal bands

 

[puremetal666]

Ok first off drowning pool kicks ass. Rest in peace my brutha.

2nd SOAD is the worst fn band i ever heard. I cant stand these fucks. I rather listen to rap. Thats how bad they are.

I just don't understand this. I hate to say this and I mean no disrespect, but you must not like metal much. SOAD is very metal musically, actually quite a bit of their material on Toxicity is quite a ripoff of Slayer. Drowning Pool's music is ass-like numetal...to each his own...If you prefer numetal to real metal I can understand what you are saying, otherwise, you really need to check out SOAD.

 

[Shell Shock]

I just don't understand this. I hate to say this and I mean no disrespect, but you must not like metal much. SOAD is very metal musically, actually quite a bit of their material on Toxicity is quite a ripoff of Slayer. Drowning Pool's music is ass-like numetal...to each his own...If you prefer numetal to real metal I can understand what you are saying, otherwise, you really need to check out SOAD.

Well, SOAD is closer to pure metal than Drowning Pool, let's just leave it at that. Some of SOAD's riffs do remind you of original thrash - but that's it.. The Serj's chaotic voice drives people like AllWithinMonster away a little - but that's their style.. Some people like it, some don't.

Drowning Pool are (were?) a typical Nu-Metal band. That didn't automatically make them bad - no, but I wasn't that fond of them, to be honest.. They were REALLY overhyped after Ozzfest '01 which I attended - people just jumped on their bandwagon when there wasn't anything that groundbreaking about 'em at all.

I do like SOAD, though. Possibly my favorite Nu-Metal act..

As far as Disturbed singer goes - I don't like his monkey growls - but when he sings cleanly (and I saw him do that live at the same Ozzfest) - he can actually do it well (has this Middle Eastern vibe - I'm not joking).. He IS Disturbed - the band is nothing without him - love him or hate him... Their latest album was very commercialized and lost all its metal influences - became just rockish.. So it wasn't for everyone . But it had some bright spots on it..

 

[puremetal666]

Well, SOAD is closer to pure metal than Drowning Pool, let's just leave it at that. Some of SOAD's riffs do remind you of original thrash - but that's it.. The Serj's chaotic voice drives people like AllWithinMonster away a little - but that's their style.. Some people like it, some don't.

Drowning Pool are (were?) a typical Nu-Metal band. That didn't automatically make them bad - no, but I wasn't that fond of them, to be honest.. They were REALLY overhyped after Ozzfest '01 which I attended - people just jumped on their bandwagon when there wasn't anything that groundbreaking about 'em at all.

I do like SOAD, though. Possibly my favorite Nu-Metal act..

As far as Disturbed singer goes - I don't like his monkey growls - but when he sings cleanly (and I saw him do that live at the same Ozzfest) - he can actually do it well (has this Middle Eastern vibe - I'm not joking).. He IS Disturbed - the band is nothing without him - love him or hate him... Their latest album was very commercialized and lost all its metal influences - became just rockish.. So it wasn't for everyone . But it had some bright spots on it..

Yeah, I didn't mean anything bad by what I was saying, but to prefer Drowning Pool over a band with true metal roots on a metal board seems odd to me.

 

[SculptedCold]

heh, the guy's a self-important pseudo-metal-preacher type dick who makes some of the stupidest monkey noises i've ever heard....but his clean vocals on Believe are pretty good.

 

[Raumien]

Actually Arch Enemy was getting played ont he Canadian version of MTV "Much Music / Fuse" they just changed their name to Fuse. They've gotten pretty well know, I see them in record stores a lot and a bunch of my friends started listening to them all of the sudden.

 

[dill_the_devil]

Allright, now you've done it, you mentioned American Head Cheese, this IS the WORST band I have ever seen live, and their music is right up there with Boy Geoge in my book, i.e. pure feltcher material. WHy SLayer ever took them on tour is waaaaaay beyond me.

LOL... Feltcher... there's a word I'm gonna have to add to my vocabulary and resurrect at every opportunity...

Not too much of an AHC fan myself to be honest, I just reckon the singer's got a good range.

 

[C-Taylor]

yeah in flames and arch enemy are known names in mainstream but i highly doubt theyll be anywhere near as popular as the nu metal crap without compromising their sound, and im starting to see in flames and soilwork do this

rapcore is just a form of nu metal taking the rapping to extremes, i have yet to hear a nu metal band where the "singing" hasnt been influenced in any way by rap

and btw, theres several black/death metal bands

If they where give the commercialisation numetal bands get they would be, thats why numetal and poppunk is so popular, its the only thing exposed to a music listener that has no other means of finding new bands.

Rapcore doesnt make numetal, just like black metal doesnt make Death metal.

 

[dill_the_devil]

A music listener always has other means of finding new bands to be honest - it just depends on the individual whether they're going to make the effort to dig deeper and find out about them. Even Metal Hammer and Kerrang feature extreme metal reviews, and Terrorize mag deals with more underground acts exclusively. Most bands feature links to other bands on their websites, plus there are webzines like UM itself, Metal Bites, Sonic Death and others... there's MP3.com, Vitaminic.com, Soundclick.com, the Allmusic site for reference... new music's always out there if you look for it.

 

[MightyDrynwhyl]

i didnt say rapcore makes nu metal, i said its a different form of nu metal, and i never said black metal makes death metal, i said that theres several bands that play a mix of both death and black metal, like the band Belphegor