One thing I can't really do on a mac

also i'll add to Mesa that average consumers that do not use their computers professionally take far less good care and maintenance of them.

What can I say? I thought I was gone but I just can't help myself.

You are without a doubt right about the avg consumer vs. a professional so tell me... What exactly is it you do as a professional that ensures that your motherboard doesn't die? What is it that you do that makes life easier for a hard drive so it doesn't die? Now tell me how this average consumer convinced their to die? If anything the pro is probably stressing their machine a lot harder than the average consumer which would make a failure just as likely if not more likely. I'm not talking about consumers that poke around inside the computer either. This is just for the sake of argument. Not trying to start shit.
 
I'm not sure how you guys have the intestinal fortitude to continue in these threads. I have a rabid fear of engaging and then subsequently witnessing the downfall of what's left of my social life, after which I may be resigned to spending my time in the local table-top games store, painting Warhammer figurines for a living.

There is honestly nothing worse than seeing people with allegiances to hard/software manufacturers which do nothing to earn it. It's the pitfalls of both systems that are most prominent on my mind. I inherently hate both operating systems, and lament the day that people were too fucking stupid to adopt Linux as a mainstream (AND OPEN SOURCE!!!!) alternative.
 
i love how this guy barges in here and makes all sorts of elitist statements about how macs suck, when i'm just saying "apples and oranges" and trying to stop it going south down a well-trodden path in this forum. then when he's called on it he makes some "i work in computer repair therefore i know how it IS" comments and then bounces... and has the tits to say it's me being sensitive while he's on his way out the door. here's "metal as fuck" for ya: 90% of every killer metal record for the last decade has been made either on, or with the assistance of, some crappy, POS, elitist, social-status endowing Mac.

metal up your arse with that, Sally!

Where did I say macs sucked? I said they were overpriced and a pain to deal with if something did go down. I also said I liked them and it was all about preference. Again I work on these machines, you don't, so whether you like what I have to say or not you can't negate my actual experiences with the fact that you dont believe it to be that way.

90% of every record for the last decade blah blah. I have faith in ya man. I bet you could make the same record with a PC that you could with a MAC. They used to be the only OS to really cater to the recording world. That just isn't the case anymore and hasn't been for a while.
 
If trolling is really what you took from all of that then you are an idiot. :wave:

Really, now?

Not your fault. I instigated. I love riling up the mac fanbois. :heh:

Right, because nothing about trying to rekindle a stupid argument on those grounds (regardless of whether or not you write Cthulu's init scripts from scratch with a steady hand magnetized needle) with condescension and a sense of entitlement even remotely sounds like trolling.

Jeff
 
Dude, no one fucking cares that you work on computers for a living. This thread's become a shitstorm of SYL proportions. Just give it a fuckin rest.
You made your point.

Obviously. That's why I leave and people continue going on. There I go with that craziness again. :Smug:
 
Really, now?



Right, because nothing about trying to rekindle a stupid argument on those grounds (regardless of whether or not you write Cthulu's init scripts from scratch with a steady hand magnetized needle) with condescension and a sense of entitlement even remotely sounds like trolling.

Jeff

Ok oh judgement passer... Your boy slams PC people as people with their heads up windows ass... and I make a comment about mac fanbois and I am the one walking in with condescension and a sense of entitlement. I'm pretty sure we were already there before I even began typing. If you're a cheerleader that's fine. I'd get my friend's back too, but let's be real here... If I am what you said then your friend shares my title. Get it?
 
I've never had one of my computers die either but I assure you they do.:)

By the way, at the moment I'm struggling with a laptop PC...

It had Vista in it, which is enough said as it is, and it was completely fucked up. I decided to install XP on it, because a sane person has absolutely no use for Windows Vista.

Well, after installing XP, I noticed the manufacturer doesn't have any XP drivers for the bullshit graphics card, and doesn't support 7. So basically I'm stuck with Vista because the laptop doesn't support anything else.

I just re-installed Vista, and installed all the possible drivers for it... But the wireless network drivers don't work. I installed everything the manufacturer had at their site, and it still doesn't work. Isn't Vista supposed to have shitloads of generic drivers in it by default? If that's the case, why can it never find any drivers I need from its database? There have been several occasions where I just end up with a crippled, useless PC laptop. My god, those things are fucking horrible. And this one cost more than my macbook did.

For the record, the model is HP Pavilion TX1000. If you can help me by any chance, I might change my mind...

This feels familiar though; having to struggle all night long with a PC to make Windows work. Love it.
 
Ok oh judgement passer... Your boy slams PC people as people with their heads up windows ass... and I make a comment about mac fanbois and I am the one walking in with condescension and a sense of entitlement. I'm pretty sure we were already there before I even began typing. If you're a cheerleader that's fine. I'd get my friend's back too, but let's be real here... If I am what you said then your friend shares my title. Get it?

Yeaaaah +1. Someone in this thread is getting crazy on the internet again but we should all be used to it by now...?

Oh yeah, almost forgot! ;)
 
Mesa, I guess I should have thrown in 'unable to read anything that doesn't align with his assumptions'... nevermind that you came in with 'I fix DOD computers in the Pentagon' and citing a long day as an excuse for trolling, you just had to misread a slam against an annoying subset of Windows users as a slam against all Windows users... and somehow everyone else is 'butthurt'. Perhaps a reading comprehension certification might be a good requirement for government tech jobs...

Jeff
 
Mesa, I guess I should have thrown in 'unable to read anything that doesn't align with his assumptions'... nevermind that you came in with 'I fix DOD computers in the Pentagon' and citing a long day as an excuse for trolling, you just had to misread a slam against an annoying subset of Windows users as a slam against all Windows users... and somehow everyone else is 'butthurt'. Perhaps a reading comprehension certification might be a good requirement for government tech jobs...

Jeff

No I made a Mac comment and was told I was wrong. At that point I made a remark about my job which I think is fairly relevant. Then James Murphy started to blow a fuse so I tried to be a little lighthearted with it. Would he have appreciated the truth more? "Hey you're being a tool and talking to this kid like an ass for no reason. Shut up already." Would that have been better? No it wouldn't. That's why I mentioned the work thing to make it more of me fucking around and less of him being a douchebag as my reasoning. Thanks for bringing that up.

Funny you mention comprehension after saying I've been trolling the whole time... especially since I backed up most statements with a reasoning for even saying them.
 
can we just set up a "no mac vs PC discussions" rule on this board?
this is fucking ridiculous, we've had this thread like 50 times already and it always goes down the same path.
Everyone from now on that wants to open a "Mac/PC" Thread please think about whether it's really necessary to do so, if someone needs help or assistance with a mac or PC program there are tons of great forums and recources on the web.....
I know it sucks and we should be able to have discussions like that here, but apparently we're not.

I'm not setting up a rule like that, cause I don't wanna censor the board anymore, but perhaps you all should think about how these threads are always ending and whether you really need to start another Mac/PC thread (not directed to the OP but to everyone).
 
All it takes for discussions like this not to exist is for the user-base to stop posting in them. Honestly, it's very simple and involves NO censorship whatsoever. Too many people with their egos caught up in what machine they use.
 
Ok oh judgement passer... Your boy slams PC people as people with their heads up windows ass... and I make a comment about mac fanbois and I am the one walking in with condescension and a sense of entitlement. I'm pretty sure we were already there before I even began typing. If you're a cheerleader that's fine. I'd get my friend's back too, but let's be real here... If I am what you said then your friend shares my title. Get it?
first of all, i'm no one's "boy".. second Jeff was right, period; i made a very focused slam against highly biased PC users like YOU, that love to make blanket claims about how those that use macs are all "fanbois" and are somehow victims of marketing, a typical anti-mac line of rhetoric which reeked of "side-taking". conversely, before you popped in i had been saying that it didn't matter and was an apples and oranges argument essentially.

no, you made an ass of YOURself buddy.. period... and multiple people here caught it... you were trolling... by your own admission you were looking for some boredom relief, and so you presented yourself as a computer repair guru that knows what everyone's experiences really are, and you also insinuated knowledge of why mac users choose the platform to start with... a spurious claim if there ever was one. that was the impression you made, and the one that several other posters took away from it, most of whom i normally never talk to and am certainly not the "boy" of.

over and over again you made your little condescending "points"... most of them having something to do with "boys / bois"... (lol, sorry, cheap shot ;))... and went on about how you are in a better position to know this, that, or the other because of your job.... completely ignoring the fact that the person you're laying this shit on has been using both Macs and PCs for about 15 years, and has quite a different experience. no, i must be just the luckiest guy ever, by your lights. never-mind that i personally know and/or am friends with and/or work with numerous other working engineers that use macs as well whose experiences align with my own, and not with what you insist is true... yeah, all those years of combined experience mean nothing compared to your repair shop stint... a place where an unquantified demographic bring their broken/malfunctioning computers... surprise, surprise.

oh, and what do i do to keep my motherboard & drives from dying that the average consumer user doesn't? i don't know that i do any one particular thing to that end, but i certainly make sure i don't slam the fan vent ports against a wall, i keep the computer in a well ventilated, cool room, out of the path of sunlight, i don't smoke or place beverages any where near it, and i open it up and clean any dust out every so often, always while properly grounded to avoid static charges... for drives and such i run disk utilities and make sure i handle them properly etc... your average consumer user does none of the above, though i daresay most everyone on this forum does... but hey, do go ahead and tell me all your smart-pants reasons why none of that works so i can summarily dismiss them, based on MY experience. and yes, some components will eventually die anyway, especially drives... which i s why a buy the extended warranties and keep double redundant back-ups, two more things your average consumer does not do. and why the hell would you ask such an easily, and predictably, answerable question in such a smarmy way in the first place? it begs an equally glib return question... are you thick?, or do you just think i am?

bottom line, you popped up in here made a specious comment about mac-users being marketing victims and fanboys, completely discounting an entire generation of professionals in many fields that use macs because they were the best tool for the job; from beating Windows PCs to the punch in functionality in certain fields (particularly media related), usually by years, via specialized software packages and related hardware integrations, to maintaining that gap via greater stability of the OS and reliability of hardware (that may not be a fact of your life in the repair shop, but it is of mine and many like me that have been using computers in the trenches of the media trades for years... so tough luck on that one... turns out it's a very debatable point after all), and when i called you on it you tried to flip it , but you got called out by someone else for trying to do that too... so then you just insinuate that person is "in cahoots" with me somehow... dude, you are chasing your tail on the weak side of a lame argument. spin and spit your repair-shop rhetoric and anti-"cult of mac" counter-dogma all you want. it will be to no avail, because i'm just not having the experience you insist is true, nor is anyone else i know.

no, enough with your "i'm a computer fixerer-upperer" know-it-all bullshit, dude... yeah, i crack wise and it can come off harsh to people like you that don't know me sometimes... but you win the prize for "Condescending Douchebag of the Thread". quit while you're ahead.