I had an intresting thought, Does anyone think that a band like Metallica could ever sit down and write an album without a producer telling them what sounds good? I mean when you reach that level of success so many people have their grubby littles fingers stuck in there. Can they even judge for themselves what sucks and what doesn't? I'm not bagging on Metallica, I like what they tried to do on St. Anger, i don't think they pulled it off. actually listening to the new Korn album made me think about it.
Producers?
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egan.
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Where She Wept said:
Well metallica did cut 4 great records before working w/ a super hands on producer....
Others may be more equiped to answer this but it seems that generally with major labels artists gain more freedom once they have a proven sales record.
As far as do they know what sounds good....IMO most bands benifit from some level of outside input.
egan. said:
IMO No matter how good you are..having someone independent from the music give input isn't a bad thing to at least LISTEN to. You dont have to do it.
Kazrog
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Having worked with a hands-on producer in the past, I feel that it was a good learning experience, but one that I don't care to repeat. It depends on who your collaborator is, and how well they understand your music. If you work with somebody from a pop background and no metal experience whatsoever (as I did) you can expect some interesting results, but in the end it's not worth your time as you will feel to some extent that your individuality is being compromised. Go with somebody who shares your vision if you want the hands-on approach.
I don't really feel I need the hands on approach anymore, I've got strong enough writers in my band lineup itself at this point (particuarly my other guitarist) that I think all we would need in a "producer" is somebody who will help us make things sound great.
I don't really feel I need the hands on approach anymore, I've got strong enough writers in my band lineup itself at this point (particuarly my other guitarist) that I think all we would need in a "producer" is somebody who will help us make things sound great.
egan. said:
i remembered reading an article about Aerosmith's 2000 disc Just Push Play. the label gave them hell for wanting to produce it themselves. that was funny considering that they hit it huge in the mainstream for 3 decades in a row, they hit it big in the 70's, 80's and 90's. Most bands breakup in 5-10 years (in the mainstream). the only ones who've survived more are the 'Stones. most band hit it big and burn out. After all that they did the label still didn't want to give them any control over the music.
what got me thinking is the new Korn album, they had a hip-hop producer(s) and the electronics was pushed way more than what they're know for.
I work so hard to make my music the best it can be. I can't imagine someone changing my music cuz a label owns my ass and put someone else in charge of how it sounds. kind of freaks me alittle.
J the TyranT
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Sinister Mephisto
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Where She Wept said:
Ever consider they wanted to go in that direction so they got a hip-hop producer to help them out?
Sinister Mephisto said:
Exactly - they'd been heading that way for a while, and seeing as they just lost a guitarist after 10-ish years, it was the perfect time to try something new. If you're trying out something that you haven't thrown yourself into before, what better way to help make it a bit easier than to get a production team that know the music you're trying to move towards?
Besides, wasn't it the Matrix that produced the new record? Their big break was producing Avril Lavigne's first LP - hardly the next Snoop is she?
Sometimes producers are useful because they are essentially being paid to make sure you sound good - so they shouldn't be afraid to tell you, for example, that your snare sounds like a frying pan in a well and all your songs are twice as long as they need to be. But it should be the band's decision at the end of the day.
Steve
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