Question about early black metal ideology

[MadeInNewJersey]

In the late '80s/early '90s, when black metal first began to rise to prominence and people began to take notice, I was wondering what fueled the thoughts of those involved (i.e. Varg, Oystein, etc.).

Clearly it was a common anti-Christian mindset, and clearly it was felt more strongly in Norway than anyplace else, but what was it that led these guys to be so vehemently anti-Christian?

Was it simply a "Satanist" view on the world and life? In other words, was it simply that they sought to be the polar opposite of all things Christian? Or was it a cry back to a heathenistic National pride way of thinking? In other words, was it a centuries-later backlash against the Christian beliefs & actions that "invaded" Norway and other parts of the world?

Any ideas?

 

[lizard]

it was an cynical attempt to corner a miniscule market.

 

[IOfTheStorm]

They were just some wankers with a good idea on how to sell more albums. There is an interesting thread about it, search.

 

[KILL TULLY]

THEY WHERE THE UNGODLY REINCARNATION OF SHIVA HERSELF SENT ACROSS NORWAY TO BURN THE CHURCHES OF THE SAINTLY SON!!!!

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

They were just some wankers with a good idea on how to sell more albums. There is an interesting thread about it, search.

Is it an RC forum thread? (just wanting to narrow my search if possible)

 

[IOfTheStorm]

Yes. I think it has "Immortal" in the title because it started as a conversation "are immortal black metal or not"

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

Yes. I think it has "Immortal" in the title because it started as a conversation "are immortal black metal or not"

Cool, thanks.

P.S. Immortal is black metal.

 

[lurch70]

In the late '80s/early '90s, when black metal first began to rise to prominence and people began to take notice, I was wondering what fueled the thoughts of those involved (i.e. Varg, Oystein, etc.).

Clearly it was a common anti-Christian mindset, and clearly it was felt more strongly in Norway than anyplace else, but what was it that led these guys to be so vehemently anti-Christian?

Was it simply a "Satanist" view on the world and life? In other words, was it simply that they sought to be the polar opposite of all things Christian? Or was it a cry back to a heathenistic National pride way of thinking? In other words, was it a centuries-later backlash against the Christian beliefs & actions that "invaded" Norway and other parts of the world?

Any ideas?

it was a bunch of guys that could not get laid nice and proper ... so they hung out in dingy basements

 

[JayKeeley]

P.S. Immortal is black metal.

Only the debut! It has to be about Satan, right?

Deicide = black metal.

 

[IOfTheStorm]

Haha
http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=175633&page=4&highlight=immortal
there is the thread, dont see the pages before this one, the funny shit come later.

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

Only the debut! It has to be about Satan, right?

Deicide = black metal.

If you want to be literal, then yes, only their first album (I think).

I just wrote what my opinion on this topic is in another thread: black metal BEGAN as having something to do with Satanic ideals/beliefs (i.e. Venom, Bathory, Hellhammer, Mercyful Fate, etc.), but QUICKLY became a musical style by the mid-90s. I mean, listen to the first few Primordial albums. They're not about Satan at all, but they sure as fuck are black metal (in style).

Deicide is death metal you vunt. And boring death metal at that.

 

[IOfTheStorm]

You know of course that Venom did not take the whole Satan thing seriously. So even if it is only about the horn-y guy from the underworld, then Venom fail to be black metal because they were just making their own fun with the whole thing.

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

Yes, Cronos is (I believe) on record as saying they were just goofing about, but for teenagers in remote places in the cold, grim northern parts of Scandinavia, they didn't know any better (having not really been exposed to much of the Western world) and DID take them seriously.

So yes, while Venom didn't take it very seriously, many people they influenced sure did.

 

[KILL TULLY]

Man I didn't realize how retarded you where untill reading that IOTS.

 

[IOfTheStorm]

You werent given many hugs when you were a kid eh

 

[JayKeeley]

Deicide is death metal you vunt. And boring death metal at that.

Haha, but you see what I'm saying? If Mercyful Fate are black metal pioneers then why not Deicide?

 

[JayKeeley]

Clearly it was a common anti-Christian mindset, and clearly it was felt more strongly in Norway than anyplace else, but what was it that led these guys to be so vehemently anti-Christian?

Life of Brian was banned in Norway.

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

Haha, but you see what I'm saying? If Mercyful Fate are black metal pioneers then why not Deicide?

I don't know!

Mercyful Fate = 1982
Deicide = 1990

?

 

[JayKeeley]

Mercyful Fate = 1982
Deicide = 1990

Yeah, good point.

At least corpse paint can be traced back to King Diamond, and in turn Alice Cooper.

It's funny because "satan" defines it all -- you can play BM music and wear corpse paint, and still not be following the BM ideology.

And by BM, I mean Bowel Movement of course.

 

[lizard]

it's debateable if there even is a BM "ideology"...it seems to be rather a hodgepodge of concepts thrown together.