Donnie Darko
Destroyer of False Metal
I support Barak Obama. McCain scares me & Huckabee is simply a religious lunatic. Even though I dont like Hilary as a person, I agree with many of her ideas and I will support her if she gets the nomination.
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v2kv
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After the debate I'm all for Obama...I just think if it's McCain up against Clinton, he'll win for sure and I don't want that.
Donnie Darko
Destroyer of False Metal
Justin S.
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The candidates, though certainly not identical, are nonetheless the same (i.e., modern global capitalists). Their differences are variations on the same center. That said, I think Hillary Clinton's variation is more considered than the others.
Unfortunately, it appears she will lose the primaries to Obama who has run a campaign, whether intentionally or not, grounded in misogyny and racism.
Unfortunately, it appears she will lose the primaries to Obama who has run a campaign, whether intentionally or not, grounded in misogyny and racism.
v2kv
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Yeah, Clinton's definitely done...I mean look how desperate she is. You can easily tell she's just taking shots at his campaign because he's exceeded her. I'm sure everyone's seen this, but what the hell:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/23/clinton.mailings/index.html
It's incredibly hypocritical of her to even say that of Obama: "he says one thing in speeches, then he turns around and does this...", because she's been doing that the whole time. Hell, she accused him of plagiarism and her "defining moment" in the debate was stolen from John Edwards & her husband.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/23/clinton.mailings/index.html
It's incredibly hypocritical of her to even say that of Obama: "he says one thing in speeches, then he turns around and does this...", because she's been doing that the whole time. Hell, she accused him of plagiarism and her "defining moment" in the debate was stolen from John Edwards & her husband.
WeAreTheLastMen
Metacom
Obama's a poser. He failed to vote for two resolutions that would have closed Gt Bay Detention center, and he's made some pretty harsh comments about Iran and Pakistan (like sending troops in there to look for Osama without permission from the government... wtf - even McCain said he wouldn't do that).
Hopefully John Edwards would be his VP - that dude would keep him in check.
Phatal
Fuck you sir! Fuck you!
There will never be a positive change in the United States of America, or even the world, until an honest, socialist, democratic party is in charge of the most powerful country in the world.
TheAnonymous
Member
I honestly hope Obama doesn't win. He seems like the unpredictable type, that rouses the odience with empty slogans about "change" and a "better future", much like some religious preacher...
I haven't been following the race too carefully but from what I have been seeing both Clinton and Mccain seem good enough candidates, but there's something about Obama that just doesn't feel right. He seems more like one of those Third party candidates that no one votes for and no ones would want in the White House, and the fact that someone like that is actually winning is a strange, and perhaps even scary thought.
Anyway, my guess is that it will end up Obama vs. Mccain, and I certainly do hope that Mccain will get elected. Mccain is mostly an improved, more liberal version of Bush, and I think he can be a very good president.
I haven't been following the race too carefully but from what I have been seeing both Clinton and Mccain seem good enough candidates, but there's something about Obama that just doesn't feel right. He seems more like one of those Third party candidates that no one votes for and no ones would want in the White House, and the fact that someone like that is actually winning is a strange, and perhaps even scary thought.
Anyway, my guess is that it will end up Obama vs. Mccain, and I certainly do hope that Mccain will get elected. Mccain is mostly an improved, more liberal version of Bush, and I think he can be a very good president.
WeAreTheLastMen
Metacom
Actually I think you can take out the socialist part and still do fine.
Not at all like a religious preacher, but I don't like him that much either, so whatever.
Clinton an McCain have both indicated that they will be very aggressive in policies regarding Iran, which is not something we need. Neither of them are much for the human rights (although McCain was able to get a few people to think he was with that bullshit interrogation reform bill that changed nothing whatsoever.) They both seem like they would profoundly suck on foreign policy.
Obama does seem a bit unpredictable, which is why it would be good if Edwards ran with him to keep him in check. Edwards knows his shit.
The election has hit an interesting phase. It appears Obama and Clinton will ruin the chances of any democrat winning the white house (unless McCain's slide into senility exacerbates).
I hate to claim conspiracy, but it seems the media has decided to turn on Obama, like it did CLinton early, now that Obama was really close to getting the nomination. And the worst part of it all is that everything thats being unearthed about Obama--his past, family, his connections to the preacher, etc--were all things the media has always known.
I hate to claim conspiracy, but it seems the media has decided to turn on Obama, like it did CLinton early, now that Obama was really close to getting the nomination. And the worst part of it all is that everything thats being unearthed about Obama--his past, family, his connections to the preacher, etc--were all things the media has always known.
Norsemaiden
barbarian
If Obama had any sense he would turn their accusations to his own advantage by throwing them back into the face of the accusers. He should not be apologising or going on the defense. He should be in attack mode if he seriously wants to win.
Obama has really gotten himself into a political pickle at this point. And it seems the more he tries to explain away his predicament, the deeper into the muck he slides.
There is little doubt much of the mainstream media was indeed "in the tank" for him for some time(when even tv-shows like Saturday Night Live, and other fellow Democrats pick up on, mock and complain about the issue - this is certainly no paranoid "conservative" fantasy or the like as is usually presumed). He was taking on all the characteristics of a messianic figure, and the media was exploiting it to the hilt(or perhaps creating it is the even better assessment).
This latest flap centering primarily around race was the one thing that could probably have derailed Obama, and caused the media to re-think their allegiance and possibly flip back toward Hillary. Obama was trumpeted as the candidate having "transcended race" whatever that is supposed to mean, and was the absolute darling of the young and idealistic. Curiously, while the media simply adore this idea of a presidential candidate "beyond race"they were still forced to report on the staggeringly lopsided support Obama was recently enjoying from Black voters who evidently weren't so convinced of, or impressed by his allaged "post racial" status.
I must confess, there is a certain degree of dark comedy in watching career Democrats and professing liberals squabbling so, and attemting to out "victim" one another, with their chosen identity-politic pet causes(racism, feminism, etc.). When a dyed-in-the-wool bleeding heart from way back like Gerladine Ferraro starts moaning about a fellow Democrat being given special treatment or attention simply because he is Black, and is summarily pilloried for her transgressions, you know American politics have indeed descended into a theater of the absurd!
If it weren't all so sad and dangerous it would be genuinely funny.
Obama has really gotten himself into a political pickle at this point. And it seems the more he tries to explain away his predicament, the deeper into the muck he slides.
There is little doubt much of the mainstream media was indeed "in the tank" for him for some time(when even tv-shows like Saturday Night Live, and other fellow Democrats pick up on, mock and complain about the issue - this is certainly no paranoid "conservative" fantasy or the like as is usually presumed). He was taking on all the characteristics of a messianic figure, and the media was exploiting it to the hilt(or perhaps creating it is the even better assessment).
This latest flap centering primarily around race was the one thing that could probably have derailed Obama, and caused the media to re-think their allegiance and possibly flip back toward Hillary. Obama was trumpeted as the candidate having "transcended race" whatever that is supposed to mean, and was the absolute darling of the young and idealistic. Curiously, while the media simply adore this idea of a presidential candidate "beyond race"they were still forced to report on the staggeringly lopsided support Obama was recently enjoying from Black voters who evidently weren't so convinced of, or impressed by his allaged "post racial" status.
I must confess, there is a certain degree of dark comedy in watching career Democrats and professing liberals squabbling so, and attemting to out "victim" one another, with their chosen identity-politic pet causes(racism, feminism, etc.). When a dyed-in-the-wool bleeding heart from way back like Gerladine Ferraro starts moaning about a fellow Democrat being given special treatment or attention simply because he is Black, and is summarily pilloried for her transgressions, you know American politics have indeed descended into a theater of the absurd!
If it weren't all so sad and dangerous it would be genuinely funny.
Hehe. You'd enjoy Spengler's vicious ad hominems against Obama on atimes.
Perhaps Obama is the Septimius Severus of America. However, Severus spent the budget on the military. Perhaps Obama will spend it on social programs that will bankrupt the already bankrupt country?
Anyway, I think we have three rather poor choices right now for president. All three are better than our current imbecile in chief, but I dont think any of the three are up to the job. Seriously, we need a major figure, as our country is really facing a major foundational crisis right now: Our economic system is crumbling, as is our infrastructure, and our governments social programs including education is in shambles. I think we're in big trouble unless someone steps in and really gets our act together--(they could start by reigning in the FED).
At the risk of playing way too broad a hand, I don't think electing any ONE individual is going to remotely pull this country back in a sensible direction - too many like the bad decisions made every day! But we have what we have - and in that spirit I have never been less impressed with the presidential choices as I am at this point in time. Bush has indeed proven a spectacular failure(which is hardly a surpise), but I see and hear little to nothing that would lead me to believe the "big three" have any real plan to accomplish anything meaningful at all, let alone actually improve anything. Lot's of talk and typically empty rhetoric about "change" and all that business - but I've heard all this before...many times.
Obviously, it's all far too complex to get into in great depth here, but suffice to say, I have resigned myself to place essentially NONE of my hopes or 'faith' in the Government. The system is hopelessly bloated and broken at the terminal level, I suspect. We need something new altogether...do I think that will happen in my lifetime if at all?? I'm sceptical to say the least - but there's always a possibility if enough folks wake up from this decades long slumber. We shall see...
