from an astrological standpoint, it's mathmatically impossible for Earth to be the only planet in existance with life on it, (big bang theory and red shift being visible) and there are scientists that believe there are fish swimming in the liquid water underneath the frozen water of some of the moons of Saturn and Jupiter
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there are some preachers that claim that before the flood, there were a great many more females than males because human sperm was different, and that the "Nephilim" in Genisis were all "males" that only "took for themselves" the females that were still left over when all the human males had wives and according to this theory Cain was already married to one of Eve's daughters before he killed Abel and that Abel already had a lot of children before he died but that they aren't mentioned by name because they aren't considered important because they were all female and that Eve's 3rd son Seth chose the prettiest from among Eve's many, many Daughters to be his wife
but according to other preachers, "God" was pissed off at Cain for killing Abel because Abel didn't have any children, and that Cain had to be seperated from his only sister (Eve's only daughter becoming Seth's wife) and that Cain's "wife" was a fish from the magical "Lake of Nod" where the fish could talk (the talking fish in the Japaneese "Cinderella" story) and that Cain became the father of the evil mermaids that are refered to as "sirens" in Homer's "the Oddesey"
according to scientists studying DNA, there are 4 (or maybe it was 5, i really don't remember) comepletely seperate human "Y" chromazones proving that the "Mitochondrial Eve" had children with males from 4 comepletely different species
but according to other preachers, "God" was pissed off at Cain for killing Abel because Abel didn't have any children, and that Cain had to be seperated from his only sister (Eve's only daughter becoming Seth's wife) and that Cain's "wife" was a fish from the magical "Lake of Nod" where the fish could talk (the talking fish in the Japaneese "Cinderella" story) and that Cain became the father of the evil mermaids that are refered to as "sirens" in Homer's "the Oddesey"
according to scientists studying DNA, there are 4 (or maybe it was 5, i really don't remember) comepletely seperate human "Y" chromazones proving that the "Mitochondrial Eve" had children with males from 4 comepletely different species
Norsemaiden
barbarian
Talking fish and evil mermaids might be just taking things a little too far into utter ridiculousness
There is mention of the fish idea here though:
"It takes only a cursory examination of H.P. Lovecraft’s most quintessential work, The Call of Cthulhu to see that his entire system of mythology is based on The Book of Enoch, the Nephilim story in Genesis, and the universal tale of the fall of Atlantis. In this story, Lovecraft’s main character finds a strange carved idol in his late grand-uncle’s affects, its appearance described as that of, “an octopus, a dragon, and a human caricature… scaly body, rudimentary wings.” The discovery of this idol leads to his investigation and uncovering of a sinister, age-old “cult of Cthulhu” (the name of the idol), who worshipped the creature represented by the idol, and the entire race of demons from which he had come. The description of the idol bears a striking resemblance to the descriptions of the Sumerian god-king Enki, also known as Dagon or Oannes, a half-human, half-fish combination who was known as the “Lord of the Flood”, and was said to rise out of the sea every day to teach his secret knowledge to those who followed him."
http://plusultrablog.com/blog/?page_id=675
Also important to bear in mind: "The “secret doctrine” given to the elite castes of mankind by the “Annunaki” (the gods of ancient Sumeria and Atlantis), has been passed down through the ages, not only to the Masons, Templars, Rosicrucians, and other fraternal orders which perpetuate the tradition,"
and: “Thule” is another name for Atlantis, and the Nazis believed that it was literally located inside the Earth, in the “underworld”, the city of “Agartha” or “Agade”, the “abode of the Gods.”
-where the Nephalim are alleged to be even to this day, hiding in a hollow part of the Earth, with Nazis who went there in flying saucers.
Cool!
There is mention of the fish idea here though:
"It takes only a cursory examination of H.P. Lovecraft’s most quintessential work, The Call of Cthulhu to see that his entire system of mythology is based on The Book of Enoch, the Nephilim story in Genesis, and the universal tale of the fall of Atlantis. In this story, Lovecraft’s main character finds a strange carved idol in his late grand-uncle’s affects, its appearance described as that of, “an octopus, a dragon, and a human caricature… scaly body, rudimentary wings.” The discovery of this idol leads to his investigation and uncovering of a sinister, age-old “cult of Cthulhu” (the name of the idol), who worshipped the creature represented by the idol, and the entire race of demons from which he had come. The description of the idol bears a striking resemblance to the descriptions of the Sumerian god-king Enki, also known as Dagon or Oannes, a half-human, half-fish combination who was known as the “Lord of the Flood”, and was said to rise out of the sea every day to teach his secret knowledge to those who followed him."
http://plusultrablog.com/blog/?page_id=675
Also important to bear in mind: "The “secret doctrine” given to the elite castes of mankind by the “Annunaki” (the gods of ancient Sumeria and Atlantis), has been passed down through the ages, not only to the Masons, Templars, Rosicrucians, and other fraternal orders which perpetuate the tradition,"
and: “Thule” is another name for Atlantis, and the Nazis believed that it was literally located inside the Earth, in the “underworld”, the city of “Agartha” or “Agade”, the “abode of the Gods.”
-where the Nephalim are alleged to be even to this day, hiding in a hollow part of the Earth, with Nazis who went there in flying saucers.
Cool!
people are crazyNorsemaiden said:Talking fish and evil mermaids might be just taking things a little too far into utter ridiculousness
There is mention of the fish idea here though:
"It takes only a cursory examination of H.P. Lovecrafts most quintessential work, The Call of Cthulhu to see that his entire system of mythology is based on The Book of Enoch, the Nephilim story in Genesis, and the universal tale of the fall of Atlantis. In this story, Lovecrafts main character finds a strange carved idol in his late grand-uncles affects, its appearance described as that of, an octopus, a dragon, and a human caricature scaly body, rudimentary wings. The discovery of this idol leads to his investigation and uncovering of a sinister, age-old cult of Cthulhu (the name of the idol), who worshipped the creature represented by the idol, and the entire race of demons from which he had come. The description of the idol bears a striking resemblance to the descriptions of the Sumerian god-king Enki, also known as Dagon or Oannes, a half-human, half-fish combination who was known as the Lord of the Flood, and was said to rise out of the sea every day to teach his secret knowledge to those who followed him."
http://plusultrablog.com/blog/?page_id=675
Also important to bear in mind: "The secret doctrine given to the elite castes of mankind by the Annunaki (the gods of ancient Sumeria and Atlantis), has been passed down through the ages, not only to the Masons, Templars, Rosicrucians, and other fraternal orders which perpetuate the tradition,"
and: Thule is another name for Atlantis, and the Nazis believed that it was literally located inside the Earth, in the underworld, the city of Agartha or Agade, the abode of the Gods.
-where the Nephalim are alleged to be even to this day, hiding in a hollow part of the Earth, with Nazis who went there in flying saucers.
Cool!
Norsemaiden
barbarian
I bet this, or something very similar is indeed what secret societies like the Masons have in their occult ideology the symbolism they use is consistent with that, but the initiates would have little idea. The kind of stuff I'm mentioning would become more prevalent the further up the 33 degrees of Masonry that people go. Except now they have the problem that the beans have been spilled, albeit with a lot of red herring distractions to make it less coherent.
These ideas are certainly ancient. Many people have written about the civilisation under the Earth, called "Agartha". The Buddhist version is "that Agartha was first colonized thousands of years ago when a holy man lead a tribe to the underground. The people have scientific knowledge and expertice far beyond that of the people who live on the surface of the planet. "
India:"The Ramayana one of the most famous texts of India, tells the story of the great avatar, Rama. It describes Rama as "an emissary from Agartha" who arrived on an air vehicle. "
"In India there is an ancient belief, still held by some, in a subterranean race of serpent people who dwell in the cities Patala and Bhogavati. According to the legend, they wage war on the kingdom of Agharta. "The Nagas," according to "The Deep Dwellers," "are described as a very advanced race or species, with a highly-developed technology. They also harbor a disdain for human beings, whom they are said to abduct, torture, interbreed with and even to eat."
http://www.crystalinks.com/agartha.html
"Quetzalcoatl was the god connected to the Aztecs and Toltecs.
Legend has it that he vanished on a flying saucer
for eight days when he visited the inner worlds."
Some facts that support these fantastic ideas are that the Germans, during the 3rd Reich, called the area of the South Pole where some of them thought the entrance to the underground civilisation "Agartha", is "Neuschwabenland".
Worth knowing about is "the surrender, in 1945, at Mar del Plata, Argentina, of a German submarine, U-530. This surrender is also covered in Reich of the Black Sun by Joseph P. Farrell. Grand Admiral Karl Donitz is reported to have stated, in 1943, that "the German submarine fleet is proud of having built for the Fuhrer, in another part of the world, a Shangri-La on land, an impregnable fortress." Later, at the Nuremberg trials, Admiral Donitz boasted of "an invulnerable fortress, a paradise-like oasis in the middle of eternal ice."
Also, it is undisputed that US Admiral Richard E Byrd did a few expeditions in the South Pole regarding checking out the German claims.
"In 1946, the U.S. government proceeded with urgency to launch a military expedition to Antarctica: "Operation Highjump." The operation was commanded by Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd. The expedition "encircled the German claimed territory of Neuschwabenland (New Schwabialand)." Following aerial reconnaisance by Byrd and others, in which four escort craft vanished, the project was abruptly halted. "Byrd was returned to Washington DC, debriefed, and his personal and operational logs remain classified to this day..." (Farrell, op. cit.)
"But before the apparent clampdown, odd reports appeared briefly, for example in the Chilean newspaper, El Mercurio. Farrell, in his book, reproduces a photostat of the article, dated March 5, 1947, by Lee van Atta, who had accompanied Byrd. A portion of the article is translated as follows: "Byrd announced to me today that it is necessary for the United States to put into effect defensive measures against enemy airmen which come from the polar regions. The Admiral further explained that he did not have the intention to scare anyone but the bitter reality is that in case of a new war the United States would be in a position to be attacked by flyers which could fly with fantastic speed from one pole to another."
http://www.shout.net/~bigred/MountMad.html
These ideas are certainly ancient. Many people have written about the civilisation under the Earth, called "Agartha". The Buddhist version is "that Agartha was first colonized thousands of years ago when a holy man lead a tribe to the underground. The people have scientific knowledge and expertice far beyond that of the people who live on the surface of the planet. "
India:"The Ramayana one of the most famous texts of India, tells the story of the great avatar, Rama. It describes Rama as "an emissary from Agartha" who arrived on an air vehicle. "
"In India there is an ancient belief, still held by some, in a subterranean race of serpent people who dwell in the cities Patala and Bhogavati. According to the legend, they wage war on the kingdom of Agharta. "The Nagas," according to "The Deep Dwellers," "are described as a very advanced race or species, with a highly-developed technology. They also harbor a disdain for human beings, whom they are said to abduct, torture, interbreed with and even to eat."
http://www.crystalinks.com/agartha.html
"Quetzalcoatl was the god connected to the Aztecs and Toltecs.
Legend has it that he vanished on a flying saucer
for eight days when he visited the inner worlds."
Some facts that support these fantastic ideas are that the Germans, during the 3rd Reich, called the area of the South Pole where some of them thought the entrance to the underground civilisation "Agartha", is "Neuschwabenland".
Worth knowing about is "the surrender, in 1945, at Mar del Plata, Argentina, of a German submarine, U-530. This surrender is also covered in Reich of the Black Sun by Joseph P. Farrell. Grand Admiral Karl Donitz is reported to have stated, in 1943, that "the German submarine fleet is proud of having built for the Fuhrer, in another part of the world, a Shangri-La on land, an impregnable fortress." Later, at the Nuremberg trials, Admiral Donitz boasted of "an invulnerable fortress, a paradise-like oasis in the middle of eternal ice."
Also, it is undisputed that US Admiral Richard E Byrd did a few expeditions in the South Pole regarding checking out the German claims.
"In 1946, the U.S. government proceeded with urgency to launch a military expedition to Antarctica: "Operation Highjump." The operation was commanded by Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd. The expedition "encircled the German claimed territory of Neuschwabenland (New Schwabialand)." Following aerial reconnaisance by Byrd and others, in which four escort craft vanished, the project was abruptly halted. "Byrd was returned to Washington DC, debriefed, and his personal and operational logs remain classified to this day..." (Farrell, op. cit.)
"But before the apparent clampdown, odd reports appeared briefly, for example in the Chilean newspaper, El Mercurio. Farrell, in his book, reproduces a photostat of the article, dated March 5, 1947, by Lee van Atta, who had accompanied Byrd. A portion of the article is translated as follows: "Byrd announced to me today that it is necessary for the United States to put into effect defensive measures against enemy airmen which come from the polar regions. The Admiral further explained that he did not have the intention to scare anyone but the bitter reality is that in case of a new war the United States would be in a position to be attacked by flyers which could fly with fantastic speed from one pole to another."
http://www.shout.net/~bigred/MountMad.html
Norsemaiden
barbarian
I hope anyone reading this has followed the previous few posts, but I have to add this.
Despite there being oil resources in Antarctica, they are not being exploited. There is an international "Antarctic treaty". There has never been war, scientific research has priority, and the environment is fully protected. 42 nations have signed the treaty, which came into force in 1961. The objectives were to "demilitarize Antarctica, to establish it as a zone free of nuclear tests and the disposal of radioactive waste, and to ensure that it is used for peaceful purposes only; to promote international scientific
cooperation in Antarctica; to set aside disputes over territorial sovereignty. "
This would of course be the kind of agreement that any subterrainian aliens might well have wanted to be arranged. So nothing I have found contradicts the possiblility that this amazing idea just might not be as impossible as it seems.
And I agree it does sound ridiculous.
International Space Mapping of Lake Vostok Overridden by NSA
"SPACE MAPPING MISSION OF ANTARCTICA ABORTED DUE TO NSA OVER-RIDE
In a brief announcment today, NASA and the JPL terminated all further study of Lake Vostok in S. Antarctica. In an apparent slip of confidentiality, spokeswoman Debra Shingteller alluded to "National Security Issues" allowing the NSA to assume full control of what had been an International effort to explore a huge, under-ice lake near the Russian Vostok research station. Ms. Shingteller was immediately led away from the podium, and an aid responded to the many further questions with the same answer: "the project has been halted due to environmental issues", and that no further releases were pending. The large crowd of press corp. were left clamoring as the officials left the stage. Ms. Shingteller has not responded to repeated attempts at contact." http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread7913/pg1
Despite there being oil resources in Antarctica, they are not being exploited. There is an international "Antarctic treaty". There has never been war, scientific research has priority, and the environment is fully protected. 42 nations have signed the treaty, which came into force in 1961. The objectives were to "demilitarize Antarctica, to establish it as a zone free of nuclear tests and the disposal of radioactive waste, and to ensure that it is used for peaceful purposes only; to promote international scientific
cooperation in Antarctica; to set aside disputes over territorial sovereignty. "
This would of course be the kind of agreement that any subterrainian aliens might well have wanted to be arranged. So nothing I have found contradicts the possiblility that this amazing idea just might not be as impossible as it seems.
And I agree it does sound ridiculous.
International Space Mapping of Lake Vostok Overridden by NSA
"SPACE MAPPING MISSION OF ANTARCTICA ABORTED DUE TO NSA OVER-RIDE
In a brief announcment today, NASA and the JPL terminated all further study of Lake Vostok in S. Antarctica. In an apparent slip of confidentiality, spokeswoman Debra Shingteller alluded to "National Security Issues" allowing the NSA to assume full control of what had been an International effort to explore a huge, under-ice lake near the Russian Vostok research station. Ms. Shingteller was immediately led away from the podium, and an aid responded to the many further questions with the same answer: "the project has been halted due to environmental issues", and that no further releases were pending. The large crowd of press corp. were left clamoring as the officials left the stage. Ms. Shingteller has not responded to repeated attempts at contact." http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread7913/pg1
there's oil in antarctica that's not being pumped?!?!?
what the fucking hell?
the oil in antarctica would be a large enough amount to make the american oil prices go back down? right?
what the fucking hell?
the oil in antarctica would be a large enough amount to make the american oil prices go back down? right?
Silver Incubus
Dead Hands Justin
Tongue_Ring said:
I hate to break this to you, but peak oil is only a myth. There is more then enough oil in this world to last for centuries. The evidence is there, and I have read it, even the people in the oil companies say its true. They just try to tell us that because they are trying to destroy or POP the economic structure and plung us back into a depression once again.
i actually knew all this, i was just pissed off that the oil in antarctica wasn't getting pumped and i typed something stupidSilver Incubus said:
Lord SteveO
Hero in a world of demons
Seemingly of the oil reserves in the North Sea, less than one third can be reached with today's technology. And it's unlikely we'll ever reach all of it. So when oil runs out, so to speak, it will really mean we have run out of oil we have access to. There'll still be lots left, but we have no way to access it.
On the subject of all that talk of aliens seeding earth from space etc, i think whoever beleives that has been reading way too much HP Lovecraft!
On the subject of all that talk of aliens seeding earth from space etc, i think whoever beleives that has been reading way too much HP Lovecraft!
Silver Incubus
Dead Hands Justin
Norsemaiden, I think you may want to read this:
UK Government quietly announces power to seize private property, uses World cup as distraction
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/180606homes.htm
UK Government quietly announces power to seize private property, uses World cup as distraction
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/180606homes.htm
Norsemaiden
barbarian
Silver Incubus said:
Thanks Silver Incubus. It's worth knowing about. It is most likely not all that sinister and maybe has more to do with the Concervative Party trying to score points. What I don't like is the thought of all the people from non-European cultures they will use this property to house. Letting "illegal" immigrants in by the millions, then granting them amnesty and all social benefits. But then, they are going to house them anyway and it probably beats building over even more "green belt" land.
Lord SteveO said:
i can't remember the guy's name, but there was a geologist saying that if you pick any random spot on earth and dig deep enough, there will be oil, it's just that the oil closest to the planet's surface just happens to be in the middle east
i never said i actually believed in any of the things about extraterrestrials that i posted, really i was just mentioning the beliefs of some people that are out there, and yeah, some of them appear to be crazy
i do believe in the science that claims that the "mitochondrial eve" really did have children with the males of 4 different species, and i also believe that it's also with in the realm of possibility that these males were from other planets, but to assume that these males were extraterrestrial with out any kind of evidence would just be stupid
Norsemaiden
barbarian
Is there any non-sinister explanation for the symbols on the American dollar? To me it is so "in your face" that it is occult/freemason symbolism that I am baffled why so few people seem to give a damn.
http://www.theinsider.org/reports/dollar-bill-symbols/
WHY DOES THE U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINT ANCIENT MASONIC SYMBOLS ON EACH AND EVERY ONE-DOLLAR BILL?
http://www.theinsider.org/reports/dollar-bill-symbols/
WHY DOES THE U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINT ANCIENT MASONIC SYMBOLS ON EACH AND EVERY ONE-DOLLAR BILL?
Norsemaiden
barbarian
Ptah Khnemu said:
Do you mean the ancient history of these occult/masonic symbols? There is no doubt that this is what they are after all. It's fact rather than consiracy. Whatever designs are used on currency, there must be an official explanation for them - they were not chosen randomly.
Silver Incubus
Dead Hands Justin
Well it is well known that we recognized symbols best from the subconscious mind and because it only had deductive reasoning it cannot differeciate between reality and dreams. So in a way, by putting these symbols, like the eye on the pyramid, they are unconsciously telling the american people that the people in charge are watching them, and are in control of them.
That's almost exactly what I meant. The reason you're almost exactly right about what I meant, is that these symbols being chosen for the dollar bill is but an example of what it all adds up to. I believe that there are clues in history, which all trail back to one lost piece of history, which has been almost lost to the stream of time, linked by a thin, endless thread, which will never be cut. My idea is somewhat like the movie National Treasure, in which Nicholas Cage and 2 other people were on a scavenger hunt, searching the world for the missing clues which led to that gigantic treasure. But instead of a treasure lying at the end of the road, there's a missing chapter in the book of history waiting to be found.Norsemaiden said:
Everything adds up to something, and everything is a piece of a gigantic puzzle, which when completed, will form a road to true knowledge and understanding. But the only question, is who created this whole game?
Norsemaiden
barbarian
Good reply. There are puzzles within puzzles in this world. The first part that most people get stuck on is that there is a mystery to be solved in the first place. Trying to make some sense of the world, when so many facts may at first seem to contradict eachother is all part of the first puzzle. The answer to this first puzzle is to realise that we are all in a game, a very competitive game, and it involves a struggle for ultimate power. Certain people, like the most senior freemasons and their allies have been in this game for thousands of years. The rest of us are pretty much oblivious to the game. It's like being a team in a football match but you don't even know there's a match going on or what you're supposed to do - but the other team knows it and is happily scoring goals against you constantly.
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