The definite, new "How Do You Feel" Thread

[hyena]

just a brief public service message:

the responsibility of a bombing normally lies with the bombers.

i refuse all explanations that blame acts of violence and abuse on 'society' or third parties whose behavior might have stimulated indirectly said violence and abuse. people have a choice not to resort to terrorism and the likes.

saying that the americans/brits/spaniards/italians/bubububu are to blame because some people use terrorism as a political tactic is a bit like saying that dimebag darrell was shot because heavy metal is violent.

next time you assault a dude
tell the judge it was my fault
and i'll get sued

this is a wrong way of thinking.

 

[TheFourthHorseman]

i refuse all explanations that blame acts of violence and abuse on 'society' or third parties whose behavior might have stimulated indirectly said violence and abuse. people have a choice not to resort to terrorism and the likes.

If you've lived with a gun in hand in some hellhole since 10 years old then maybe the choice isn't quite as obvious as it might seem.

 

[marduk1507]

Oh fuck it. Im drunk as a sailor (as a pirate, hey DJ, yeah, where art thou?) - hows that as a political statement? But seriously, what choice forchrissakes? Where, how? Terrorism has nothing to do with rationality, choice or what the fuck ever. Terrorism is EVIL, if theres such a thing - incomprehesible, yet present and vital. YOU CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, its the old mans doing an all. *burp!*

 

[rahvin]

the responsibility of a bombing normally lies with the bombers.

i refuse all explanations that blame acts of violence and abuse on 'society' or third parties whose behavior might have stimulated indirectly said violence and abuse.

finally, some wisdom.

 

[marduk1507]

Well, now that you quote it THIS WAY - I cant but agree. But it wasnt the whole business, was it? Anyway, bombing innocent people - who the hell wants to justify that? I know theres plenty of those who want to see everything in it except the pure fact of bombing and killing people who have nothing to do with it, but these people are dead within, theres nothing you can discuss with them. That "they deserved it anyway" bullshit - Ill never understand that perspective. Howgh!

 

[rahvin]

Well, now that you quote it THIS WAY - I cant but agree. But it wasnt the whole business, was it?

i agree with the rest of the "business" as well. i didn't want to quote too many lines just for a "well said" kind of post.

Anyway, bombing innocent people - who the hell wants to justify that?

probably no one specifically, or at least no one here. yet i find all kinds of attitudes that tend to limit responsibility and, as it were, blame circumstances that are beyond an individual's control to be dangerously close to a justification. society is an indistinct multitude of subject you can't take to court as a whole. tell me it was their parents, or their teachers, or their emo girlfriends, and i'll accept that yours is a suggestion to look for the real culprits, but pinning the massacre of hundreds on the influence of a million tiny particles that made someone's life miserable is useless, and what's worse it makes the lives of those who have been killed worthless.
besides, some of the messages here are just uninformed, if they mean to be related to the case in point: the bombers in london were all at least second generation residential citizens of the uk. none of them had ever even seen a hellhole.

 

[La Rocque]

none of them had ever even seen a hellhole

One of the London killers was born in Pakistan, another born in Jamaica
and a 3rd one had spent several months in Pakistan -

 

[rahvin]

One of the London killers was born in Pakistan, another born in Jamaica
and a 3rd one had spent several months in Pakistan -

did you check who they were born from? and why had the 3rd guy spent several months in pakistan?

edit:
quotes from the bbc news. please show me the hellhole.

Mohammad Sidique Khan had lived in the Beeston area of Leeds until recently, when he moved to Lees Holm in Dewsbury.

The 30-year-old had been a teaching assistant at Hillside Primary School in Leeds since 2002.

Teenager Hasib Hussain had been known as a tearaway during his early teens.

Newspapers reported how he would start fights with fellow pupils at the Matthew Murray Secondary school in Leeds.

Around this time, he was sent to Pakistan to visit relatives. He also went on the Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, grew a beard and began to wear robes.
Despite becoming devoutly religious, he was arrested for shoplifting during 2004.

Neighbours said the 18-year-old had lived all his life in Colonso Mount in the Holbeck area of Leeds. One neighbour described the family as "very nice people".

Shehzad Tanweer, 22, was born in Bradford but lived most of his life in the Beeston area of Leeds - little over half a mile from his friend, Hasib Hussain.

His father, of Pakistani origin, owns a fish and chip shop near their home on Colwyn Road.

"He was proud to be British," he said. "He had everything to live for. His parents were loving and supportive.

Police sources have said the fourth suicide bomber was a Jamaican-born British resident named Lindsey Germaine.
He is understood to have been living at a house in Northern Road, Aylesbury that police raided on Wednesday night.

 

[Schwedentod]

NF: Fine so far, wrote my last exam this semester yesterday, went quite well. After that, we had a barbecue with the database-course which was cool. There's a nice girl in the course as well, we talked a little...
Then I drove home (from Trier to Montabaur, my hometown) and now I'm sitting here and have to prepare my farewell party this evening. Invited some friends to see them a last time before going to sweden in exactly one week (I'll be leaving saturday to sunday night, so reach swedden sometime around sunday noon).
Oh, I'm looking forward to this moment as if this would be a completely new and better life! Can't wait for it actually...

 

[hyena]

@daniel: i kind of envy all of this enthusiasm you have. good luck.

nf: okay, on the whole, although it could be better. i'm not finding a suite to my requirement in DC, but if i am patient and work the internet a bit i will maybe succeed. i don't want to renounce some requirements i deem fundamental - it's not like i can do without a kitchen for three weeks, i'd probably die if i ate out every day and in america at that... and i'd also love a fitness room and wireless internet, for starters... but i'm booking fairly late due to my employer's slowness, hence i will have to bear with what i find. pffff. in doubt, i'm about to go for a workout and forget all about this.

 

[rahvin]

nf: okay, on the whole, although it could be better. i'm not finding a suite to my requirement in DC, but if i am patient and work the internet a bit i will maybe succeed. i don't want to renounce some requirements i deem fundamental - it's not like i can do without a kitchen for three weeks, i'd probably die if i ate out every day and in america at that... and i'd also love a fitness room and wireless internet, for starters... but i'm booking fairly late due to my employer's slowness, hence i will have to find a bear. pffff. in doubt, i'm about to go for a workout and forget all about this.

fixed.

 

[Dark_Silence]

im in a good mood i just came back from my neighboor house, we drank a few beers!

 

[marduk1507]

Originally posted by rahvin
His father, of Pakistani origin, owns a fish and chip shop near their home on Colwyn Road.

"He was proud to be British," he said. "He had everything to live for. His parents were loving and supportive.

That reminded me of Haniff Kureishis book (it has a laundry in the title, but I cant remember the rest now).

 

[hyena]

@rahvin: if only it was that easy.

nf: stupid, i was out until 2am and of course my sleeping patterns are so fucked up now that i cannot envisage being up at 5am to catch my plane on tuesday. i'll have to go by bear.

 

[Hiljainen]

i passed organic chem, which is the last exam i planned to do this year, apart for 2 that i have to do in september. there are a couple that i didn't manage to do, but i'm hoping it won't be a big problem to do them sooner or later next semester. so i feel kind of sillily proud of myself, sillily since i'm not between the best students for sure, but proud since i passed the year, even with some good grades, which i wasn't really expecting to do, having never studied science before this year.

 

[hyena]

@hilj: congratulations, and may the bubu keep on being with you until the end of your studies.

 

[Salamurhaaja]

Finally a cure has been found:
http://www.somethingwrong.co.uk/crazy_frog_baseball/

 

[marduk1507]

 

[Schwedentod]

Hello all...

I'm in between 2 worlds right now. On the first hand, there's a project-week for a seminar I'm currently doing here in university. Theme is "web-technologies". I create a database and write a program for the prof-evaluation which comes together with the bachelor/ master studies this autumn. This should be fun but I just can't concentrate on it which leads me towards my other hand...
...and on the other hand, there's sweden. This saturday night I'll leave this country I lived in for more than 23 years now. The longest time abroad was 2 weeks (holidays). But my mind already left. I'm thinking of what to take with me, what to leave here. Which CD's to rip in mp3. Which alcohol to buy and take with me. And so on, and so forth. I'm really looking forward to sunday afternoon when I'll arrive. But somehow, it still seems so far away. And there should be other things to care about right now...

Last saturday I had a party with my friends from Montabaur, to see them altogether a last time before leaving. There, my best friend and his girlfriend gave me a card. It said something like this:
Have a good time in Sweden and good luck with your studies.
Don't forget the german language and your german friends.
All the best,
Sarah and Martin

There were tears in my eyes when reading that and they come back right now. I will definitely miss these people a lot. That was the first time I realized that leaving is not as easy as I thought...

 

[Schwedentod]

Oh, and something more: this post up there sounds more depressive as I am actually! I'm in really fine condition, just wanted to express this living in 2 worlds right now. There should be more time between the end of my semester (this friday) and the beginning of the swedish-course in Kristianstad (next monday)...