phlogiston
Bejabbers!
And just while I'm in a pedantic mood (again), when you're talking about the ALP, it's Labor with no 'u'.
http://www.alp.org.au/
http://www.alp.org.au/
the election, and stuff..
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Shannow
Stunt Plough Rider
OK,
then we better start talking edumacation then.
I wish Latham had brought out a voucher system. Each school age kid gets a voucher to redeem at whatever school they want.
Wanna go to Kings ?
Sure redeem your voucher, and pay whatever the school charges on top.
then we better start talking edumacation then.
I wish Latham had brought out a voucher system. Each school age kid gets a voucher to redeem at whatever school they want.
Wanna go to Kings ?
Sure redeem your voucher, and pay whatever the school charges on top.
JonBonJovi
Titilate
Spawn if you don't vote you have no right to complain about anything controlled by the government.
Goreripper
Metal as fuck
Actually the Children Overboard scandal won Howard the last election, and he only won it by a few seats (unlike when he originally won in 96 - by a landslide). People believed him when he said these terrible foreigners were throwing their kids into the sea in a last ditch attempt to invade our shores and we should keep them out, so they voted him back in. It wasn't until after the election that it was found to be a lie. The single biggest issue at the time of the 2000 election wasn't Iraq (that wasn't even an issue then). It wasn't the economy. It wasn't even the GST. Howard won the election by lying about a photo of people jumping off a sinking boat.spawn said:
And I'd forgotten about the FTA Shannow. Thanks for reminding me about that. I'm sure he won't win any votes from the cane-growing sector.
Goreripper
Metal as fuck
Well we've already had some airhead Liberal backbencher from NSW suggest that all schools start charging compulsory fees. Why not make them all charge exactly the same amount? Then we can close down all the government schools, send the poor kids to the sweatshops and all the rich ones can go learn to be lawyers and politicians. What a fucking brilliant idea! I think I might get Johnny on the phone and let him know about it.Shannow said:OK,
then we better start talking edumacation then.
I wish Latham had brought out a voucher system. Each school age kid gets a voucher to redeem at whatever school they want.
Wanna go to Kings ?
Sure redeem your voucher, and pay whatever the school charges on top.
Goreripper
Metal as fuck
The Greens don't have the numbers to win Government, but they can win enough to control the Senate, thereby giving them enough power to influence legislation. I'm glad they've moderated some of their policies over the last few years. At first they were a little bit too "activist" for my liking but these days they've moved more towards the role the Democrats used to assume by keeping the other parties in check.phlogiston said:
phlogiston
Bejabbers!
Still, it would make a nice change if they became a viable third party.
My favourite election bit so far was when the Liberals critised Labors old-age health policies by saying that it "would leave less for the young people". I'm sure they meant to say "..leave less for the young people. Because we care about young people and only want what's right and good for them. Oh yeah, we're increasing HECS fees again, and giving more money to the rich private schools (even though that's a state thing)).
My favourite election bit so far was when the Liberals critised Labors old-age health policies by saying that it "would leave less for the young people". I'm sure they meant to say "..leave less for the young people. Because we care about young people and only want what's right and good for them. Oh yeah, we're increasing HECS fees again, and giving more money to the rich private schools (even though that's a state thing)).
TinMan666
Member
So true.Goreripper said:
Howard won the last election by using racism and xenophobia.
Lets not forget as well, that back then these people weren't legit refugees, they were just "queue jumpers" or illegal immigrants. According to him, they had no reason to have to flee their country of origon, so we had no obligation to take them in as refugees.
Then a few years later (after the WMD excuse was shown to be a lie) he tries to say that the reason we helped invade was the to help the people out... the same people who apparently don't have it bad enough to deserve refugee status.
Goreripper
Metal as fuck
This goes back to something someone said earlier about education. Schools are State run, but they're funded by both Federal and State governments. The Federal government has always funded private schools, but the main issue this time is that Latham wants to cut the level of funding to them to make it equitable to the amount the state schools get. As far as I can remember, that hasn't been an election issue before, at least not as much as this time. If the Federal government is going to give money to schools, it should give the same amount to every school regardless of their prestige.
Shannow
Stunt Plough Rider
Gorey, that's why I like the vouchers.
Then the parents can decide where they redeem their vouchers, and how much they are willing to pay for Polo fields.
Then the parents can decide where they redeem their vouchers, and how much they are willing to pay for Polo fields.
phlogiston
Bejabbers!
I don't think that. I reckon the government should give *all* the money to government schools, give government teachers pay rises and increase teacher numbers and make a good education *free*. No school fees, no tuition fees, just free. Hell, I met a teacher a while ago who;s school made the kids bring two reams of photocopy paper with them at the start of every year to keep costs down.
If you want to send your kids to a private school, fine, you're welcome to do so. But I want my tax money spent on government schools.
If you want to send your kids to a private school, fine, you're welcome to do so. But I want my tax money spent on government schools.
Shannow
Stunt Plough Rider
phlogiston, I agree to a point.
But the people who send their kids private pay exactly the same taxes. They should either get a rebate on their taxes to spend where they wish, or get a voucher.
(BTW, my Mum works in a Catholic school, where their government funding per child is about 60% of the funding per kid at a Govvy school. The parents pay around $500 per year.)
The taxpayer gets off very lightly with the normal run of the mill private schools. It's the super rich schools getting millions in funding that is oscene.
But the people who send their kids private pay exactly the same taxes. They should either get a rebate on their taxes to spend where they wish, or get a voucher.
(BTW, my Mum works in a Catholic school, where their government funding per child is about 60% of the funding per kid at a Govvy school. The parents pay around $500 per year.)
The taxpayer gets off very lightly with the normal run of the mill private schools. It's the super rich schools getting millions in funding that is oscene.
phlogiston
Bejabbers!
*mumble something about Shannow having a point*
Fine. All kids get a voucher for $300-400 a year. The rest of the money goes to government schools. All schools to supply the materials required for the year.
The Catholic school situation is a funny one. Not quite private, not quite public. I think I'd treat them like private schools where they can charge a fee, but also give them funding, but not as much as a full public school. Sort of sounds like how it's being done now. I'm against religion being involved in the state, but even religious kids need education, I guess. Or maybe just fund the non-religious side of things, like maths and sciences. Although you know that they'll just hire religious maths teachers to get around it.
Fine. All kids get a voucher for $300-400 a year. The rest of the money goes to government schools. All schools to supply the materials required for the year.
The Catholic school situation is a funny one. Not quite private, not quite public. I think I'd treat them like private schools where they can charge a fee, but also give them funding, but not as much as a full public school. Sort of sounds like how it's being done now. I'm against religion being involved in the state, but even religious kids need education, I guess. Or maybe just fund the non-religious side of things, like maths and sciences. Although you know that they'll just hire religious maths teachers to get around it.
Shannow
Stunt Plough Rider
OK, not a bad compromise.
I'm dead against religion in public schools.
(Fucked if I know what we're going to do in 3 or 4 year's time with an unbaptised illegitimate kid at school age, and wanting to send her to a low end catholic (or some other denomination) school)
I'm dead against religion in public schools.
(Fucked if I know what we're going to do in 3 or 4 year's time with an unbaptised illegitimate kid at school age, and wanting to send her to a low end catholic (or some other denomination) school)
KoichCPA
Banned
So you don't even believe in your own stance Sydo?
And evryone else, good work, I am proud.
Except Spawn, I hate people like you.
And evryone else, good work, I am proud.
Except Spawn, I hate people like you.
KoichCPA
Banned
Keep working your deadend job you only got because your father got it for you.
Hopefully you will wake up and realise you are an arsehat.
Hopefully you will wake up and realise you are an arsehat.
