Well, im doing ok if its a dead end job, thanks for your concern though, and its funny, but every fortnight when I get paid, its never bothered me that my Dad found out about the application day for the job 
the election, and stuff..
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KoichCPA
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KoichCPA
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well if you don't stand by your convictions enough to have them debated against, you clearly have no idea of what you are talking about.
Sydo
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Fair enough..
My reasons for not entering your debate are simple. It has taken me four years of study to understand how the economy works, and I don't see how I can explain it to you in confines of a BB.
Latham and Labor have some good ideas. If they make it to power then I wish them the best, because we'll need it.
My reasons for not entering your debate are simple. It has taken me four years of study to understand how the economy works, and I don't see how I can explain it to you in confines of a BB.
Latham and Labor have some good ideas. If they make it to power then I wish them the best, because we'll need it.
Chris Brooks
www.chrisbrooks.com
Some strong and interesting view points going on here. It's interesting reading.
If we look at our country like a business, it seems like the Liberal approach is to make sure the business is running smoothly and making good margins, without really making sure the individual "employees" (ie the population) are taken care of. They're making sure the business is secure and profitable but not looking out for the people that make it that way. Economic responsibility seems to be the focus.
Labor on the other hand in the past seems to have sought to look after special interest groups, union members, and anyone else with their hands out, as well as the 'common man' (very common in many cases). I guess you would call this a social responsibility that conflicts with the Libs' economic priorities. As the managing director of the company however, Mr Labor Leader (who ever it happens to be) wants to look after the employees whilst dropping the ball when it comes to the bottom line of the company. Money burns a hole in their pockets.
I'm not particulary fond of either. In 10 years of voting and over 28 of living, none of them have ever made my life any better.
I'm not scared of Latham being PM. I am however very weary of having Simon Creen as the treasurer. Either way, life will probably be just as tough and there will be just as many things to complain about.
If we look at our country like a business, it seems like the Liberal approach is to make sure the business is running smoothly and making good margins, without really making sure the individual "employees" (ie the population) are taken care of. They're making sure the business is secure and profitable but not looking out for the people that make it that way. Economic responsibility seems to be the focus.
Labor on the other hand in the past seems to have sought to look after special interest groups, union members, and anyone else with their hands out, as well as the 'common man' (very common in many cases). I guess you would call this a social responsibility that conflicts with the Libs' economic priorities. As the managing director of the company however, Mr Labor Leader (who ever it happens to be) wants to look after the employees whilst dropping the ball when it comes to the bottom line of the company. Money burns a hole in their pockets.
I'm not particulary fond of either. In 10 years of voting and over 28 of living, none of them have ever made my life any better.
I'm not scared of Latham being PM. I am however very weary of having Simon Creen as the treasurer. Either way, life will probably be just as tough and there will be just as many things to complain about.
Southy
Proud Brisbane Metaller
The interest rate thing is bullshit too, they have been proven to run on cycles UNAFFECTED BY GOVERNMENT of upto 20 years. Sure blame away at the Government, but they really have fuck all to do with it, Labor or Libs
TinMan666
Member
Good points from Chris there.
I don't pretend to understand economics OR that I know enough about anything to say with any confidence that labour are going to do a great job if they get in to government.
The main thing to keep in mind is that every vote for john howard is a vote saying that australians don't mind being lied to about the most important issues. Not your standard run of the mill politician lies, but big time lies about reasons for going to war, lies about refugees, lies about the GST, the list goes on and on. Any vote for John Howard sends the message that Australians don't care about international law, don't care about the United Nations, and that "oh, I didn't know" is an acceptable excuse for the collasal fuckups that he has lead us into.
I don't pretend to understand economics OR that I know enough about anything to say with any confidence that labour are going to do a great job if they get in to government.
The main thing to keep in mind is that every vote for john howard is a vote saying that australians don't mind being lied to about the most important issues. Not your standard run of the mill politician lies, but big time lies about reasons for going to war, lies about refugees, lies about the GST, the list goes on and on. Any vote for John Howard sends the message that Australians don't care about international law, don't care about the United Nations, and that "oh, I didn't know" is an acceptable excuse for the collasal fuckups that he has lead us into.
Shannow
Stunt Plough Rider
TinMan,
I've always wondered about the "coallition of the willing".
If any of these Conservatives (and I still think Blair to be one) were CEO of one of any of the businesses that they seem to hold so dear to their hearts, and their advisors misadvised them such that they spent hundreds of millions of bucks (billions even) on a misadventure, then there would be heads rolling.
Well we've got the heads rolling, but they aren't the advisors who told them the wrong thing.
I've always wondered about the "coallition of the willing".
If any of these Conservatives (and I still think Blair to be one) were CEO of one of any of the businesses that they seem to hold so dear to their hearts, and their advisors misadvised them such that they spent hundreds of millions of bucks (billions even) on a misadventure, then there would be heads rolling.
Well we've got the heads rolling, but they aren't the advisors who told them the wrong thing.
TinMan666
Member
Well that's the thing that has me confused.
BEFORE the war, I was reading up on as much as I could, because I kinda got a bit involved in trying to get people to the anti-war rallies and all that stuff, so I was doing a bit of research so that I would have a bit of knowledge to back up my arguments.
Anyway what I found BEFORE the war ever got started was that pretty much everything they said was a load of shit. They say "we have to remove Saddam from power because he has amassed weapons of mass destruction", when only a few years earlier the same people were bragging about how effective & successful they had been in controlling him and preventing him from getting any WMD. Well, that's to be expected from politicians I guess... but more importantly you had the UN weapons inspectors who had dismantled 99% of Saddams weapons program by 1999 anyway. 1999 was quite a long time ago, and that 99% is 99% of what ever small amount was left over after the war in the early 90s.
Also all of the "evidence" that they presented to the UN council was so outrageous... it would have been laughable if it wasn't so serious and such an insult to our intelligence. Their "evidence" basically amounted to "look, here's a photo of a truck, which COULD be used to transport weapons" and "look, here's a TRAIN where they MIGHT be weapons being moved around"... I mean... really, it's ridiculous.
So NOW that it's come out that all of that was bullshit, they use the "oh, the information we had was flawed" excuse. But if I was reading up about this stuff BEFORE the war... and you had guys like Hans Blix saying "we can't find any wmd or any evidence of wmd" before the war... why are they getting away with this pissweak excuse and blaming the intelligence agencies?
The reality is that they either ignored or misrepresented the information that was out there to strengthen the position that they wanted to take.
Why people ate it up in the first place baffles me, and why they're allowing them to get away with it now is even more incomprehensible.
Vote Howard OUT and make a statement that this is not good enough for Australia.
BEFORE the war, I was reading up on as much as I could, because I kinda got a bit involved in trying to get people to the anti-war rallies and all that stuff, so I was doing a bit of research so that I would have a bit of knowledge to back up my arguments.
Anyway what I found BEFORE the war ever got started was that pretty much everything they said was a load of shit. They say "we have to remove Saddam from power because he has amassed weapons of mass destruction", when only a few years earlier the same people were bragging about how effective & successful they had been in controlling him and preventing him from getting any WMD. Well, that's to be expected from politicians I guess... but more importantly you had the UN weapons inspectors who had dismantled 99% of Saddams weapons program by 1999 anyway. 1999 was quite a long time ago, and that 99% is 99% of what ever small amount was left over after the war in the early 90s.
Also all of the "evidence" that they presented to the UN council was so outrageous... it would have been laughable if it wasn't so serious and such an insult to our intelligence. Their "evidence" basically amounted to "look, here's a photo of a truck, which COULD be used to transport weapons" and "look, here's a TRAIN where they MIGHT be weapons being moved around"... I mean... really, it's ridiculous.
So NOW that it's come out that all of that was bullshit, they use the "oh, the information we had was flawed" excuse. But if I was reading up about this stuff BEFORE the war... and you had guys like Hans Blix saying "we can't find any wmd or any evidence of wmd" before the war... why are they getting away with this pissweak excuse and blaming the intelligence agencies?
The reality is that they either ignored or misrepresented the information that was out there to strengthen the position that they wanted to take.
Why people ate it up in the first place baffles me, and why they're allowing them to get away with it now is even more incomprehensible.
Vote Howard OUT and make a statement that this is not good enough for Australia.
Shannow
Stunt Plough Rider
My Old Man has an interesting view on Australia.
If we're doing well at international sports, then we'll vote the incumbents back in. If we have a bad patch, we'll vote them out.
Most of the people that I know have a Goldfish like attention span when it comes to politics in general, and lies in particular. But these same people can recite the Melbourne Cup winners from 1948 (number made up for general statement, I don't know if there was a 1948 Melbourne Cup), and every Ashes win.
He might be right to some degree.
If we're doing well at international sports, then we'll vote the incumbents back in. If we have a bad patch, we'll vote them out.
Most of the people that I know have a Goldfish like attention span when it comes to politics in general, and lies in particular. But these same people can recite the Melbourne Cup winners from 1948 (number made up for general statement, I don't know if there was a 1948 Melbourne Cup), and every Ashes win.
He might be right to some degree.
While that may be true to a small extent, I dont think its just a coincidence that under Labor the interest rates were upwards of 10% though Southy.Southy said:
I reckon people vote for the person they would rather have over for a BBQ Shannow 
Kem
Very cynical
Goreripper, I think you should run for PM. And maybe Sydo can be the Treasurer.
Me I'll be the person who follows the campaign trails and eats all the leftover food after the speeches and receptions.
Me I'll be the person who follows the campaign trails and eats all the leftover food after the speeches and receptions.
Mark
Not blessed, or merciful
The only reason I would ever be an Aussie member of parliamant is that I could roll down the grassy hill on top of Parliamant House on my lunch break.
JonBonJovi
Titilate
Spawn you obviously believe advertising propagander.
Interest rates are controlled by the Reserve Bank and go on world wide economy!
For someone who visits the doctor as much as you, you should be giving a shit about a lot more than you do.
If Howard had his way State Rail would be privatised like it is in Victoria.(i don't believe this actually would be a bad idea Victoria public transport costs a lot less than here and runs hell of a lot better)If this happened you would be out of a job....however because it is still government runned you can never get fired unless you went postal or similar.
You living where you do would be paying much higher on your frozen pizzas,Take Away, chocolate diet than you would living in the burbs......The Labour government wants to have even pricing no matter where you live.They also want bulk Billing available everywhere so you won't be paying ridiculous amounts to go to the doctor 3 times a week.
People like you who are either ignorant of what the government does for them or refuse to vote are a waste of oxygen......you lot sure use up a lot standing on your soap box complaing about how you pay too much for this and that...if you took out the 2 mins it takes to vote and vote with an educated mind you wan't need to constantly complain how hard you bloody have it!
Interest rates are controlled by the Reserve Bank and go on world wide economy!
For someone who visits the doctor as much as you, you should be giving a shit about a lot more than you do.
If Howard had his way State Rail would be privatised like it is in Victoria.(i don't believe this actually would be a bad idea Victoria public transport costs a lot less than here and runs hell of a lot better)If this happened you would be out of a job....however because it is still government runned you can never get fired unless you went postal or similar.
You living where you do would be paying much higher on your frozen pizzas,Take Away, chocolate diet than you would living in the burbs......The Labour government wants to have even pricing no matter where you live.They also want bulk Billing available everywhere so you won't be paying ridiculous amounts to go to the doctor 3 times a week.
People like you who are either ignorant of what the government does for them or refuse to vote are a waste of oxygen......you lot sure use up a lot standing on your soap box complaing about how you pay too much for this and that...if you took out the 2 mins it takes to vote and vote with an educated mind you wan't need to constantly complain how hard you bloody have it!
JonBonJovi
Titilate
Goreripper
Metal as fuck
Kem, I've decided that as soon as I can afford it, I am going to run for office. My platform will be similar to Richard Pryor's in "Brewster's Millions": if you want to waste your vote, waste it on me. I'm going to have no policies or promises. I'll be the guy you vote for when you can't be arsed making up your mind for someone else.
phlogiston
Bejabbers!
Really? Victorian public transport is cheaper and better than NSW? Seriously? I thought privatisation sucked big time, especially as one of the companies collapsed and now we're back to one company running the whole show again...JonBonJovi said:
(That's a serious question, not a smart-arse sarcastic remark this time around. It troubles me sometimes when I have to clarify that...)
