The Ozzman
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This is the first time I've heard Ghoul mentioned on this board. It is mentioned all the time on the Megadeth boards because there is one motherfucker that worships that band (along with Municipal Waste).
The great innovators of Metal
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Brutal and Technical DM are genres with significant overlap. Suffocation innovated both because they were more brutal and more technical bands than those that preceded them. That is the new standard. Feel free to reword it.
Yes. It's like saying Black Sabbath invented metal by playing heavier riffs.
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Absolutely not. Napalm Death were a Grindcore band. They may have influenced Suffocation, but they really are not similar at all.
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So... forgive my ignorance, but is grindcore actually a separate genre and movement from death metal? They always seemed like part of the same thing to me. That's why I found V5's statement rather absurd, since, if Napalm Death had already added grindcore elements to death metal, Suffocation could not have 're-added' those elements.
It would probably be better if someone other than me were making this list... but hopefully what I lack in accurate knowledge I make up for in the ability to properly articulate the knowledge of others.
It would probably be better if someone other than me were making this list... but hopefully what I lack in accurate knowledge I make up for in the ability to properly articulate the knowledge of others.
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Grindcore is a completely separate genre related only in that they are both extreme and emerged at a similar time. Grindcore has a lot to do with punk where Death Metal does not. The Grindcore elements which Suffocation utilized mainly consisted of blast beats and fast riffing sections. You might be getting confused about Napalm Death because they became a Death metal band later in their career.
Correct me if I'm wrong here V5
Correct me if I'm wrong here V5
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Yup, that's probly it. I think I've only heard one of their albums, and I recall it being a later one.
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for sure.
So... forgive my ignorance, but is grindcore actually a separate genre and movement from death metal? They always seemed like part of the same thing to me. That's why I found V5's statement rather absurd, since, if Napalm Death had already added grindcore elements to death metal, Suffocation could not have 're-added' those elements.
It would probably be better if someone other than me were making this list... but hopefully what I lack in accurate knowledge I make up for in the ability to properly articulate the knowledge of others.
grindcore is indeed a separate genre from death metal. its rooted in crust-punk and anarcho-punk rather than thrash like death metal was. check out Napalm Death's album "Scum" for pure unadulterated grindcore.
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If Thergothon is there for slowest band, we need the fastest band. I don't know who that is, but I heard it was In Battle's debut. I may be wrong.
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I don't see any real need to list "fastest" or "slowest" bands (or bands with the "most" of any particular quality), as it's not really a matter of innovation so much as it is winning a contest of absurdity. Plus, you could probably debate among hundreds of bands who appear to be the fastest or slowest.
An exception to that rule would be a band whose tempo was drastically different from any other band at the time (i.e. Motörhead, or perhaps one of the early doom metal bands), and who inspired other bands to pursue similar extremities of the genre.
An exception to that rule would be a band whose tempo was drastically different from any other band at the time (i.e. Motörhead, or perhaps one of the early doom metal bands), and who inspired other bands to pursue similar extremities of the genre.
hibernal_dream
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How? Either a band is the slowest or it is not, due to another band being slower. One band can't 'appear' to be slower than another and not actually be slower in a quantitative sense. The criterion is both clear and measurable.
DarkBliss
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No, I think what he means is that there's no sense in listing bands who are just "slowest" or "fastest" or "most technical" or "most brutal",or "use the most distortion" or "have a drummer who plays at the speed of light", if there's nothing in their music other than that, and I agree with him.
Besides the foolishness of sub genre ing the sub genres you guys would probably do well to put dates and specific works behind your claims. Then is would be far easier to verify claims.
It seems to me first, what needs to be done is identify what the metal sound is. What seperates it from hard rock, because many of the old hardrock bands innovated the sounds that became heavy metal, they just didnt make entire albums using the same formula, they were more diverse.
Ive seen bands mentioned that didnt even exist till the mid nineties and thats just crazy. Not that new innovations have not been made, but where the hell is the visable time line. Its pointless without dates.
As far as Im concerned by the mid/late 80's the various metal types were well defined and since then the new bands have just mixed and matched all these influences, and narrowed their scope to making one aspect of "heavy metal" more "extreme" ala the "whose fastest" subject. I say who cares? Wheres the song?
It seems to me first, what needs to be done is identify what the metal sound is. What seperates it from hard rock, because many of the old hardrock bands innovated the sounds that became heavy metal, they just didnt make entire albums using the same formula, they were more diverse.
Ive seen bands mentioned that didnt even exist till the mid nineties and thats just crazy. Not that new innovations have not been made, but where the hell is the visable time line. Its pointless without dates.
As far as Im concerned by the mid/late 80's the various metal types were well defined and since then the new bands have just mixed and matched all these influences, and narrowed their scope to making one aspect of "heavy metal" more "extreme" ala the "whose fastest" subject. I say who cares? Wheres the song?
Zephyrus
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Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
Not everyone can drum, find or afford a drummer. There are tons of metal bands who use drum machines. As for industrial black metal, a drum machine is key (but not compulsory) to the sound.
This is a joke. Thrash is the 80's not 2000's.
Slayer
Hellhammer/Celtic Frost
Darkthrone
Suffocation
Napalem Death
Death
Venom
Abhoth
Entombed
Obituary
Opeth
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Boris
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Tyrants and Slaves
I'm challenging the inclusion of Impaled Nazarene, here. I find no evidence that this band has anything to do with industrial black metal. All I see is that is had more to do with grindcore and punk than it did with industrial leanings. Whereas Mysticum, from the beginning fostered the unique sound of industrial black metal through use of drum machines and such.
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^ Fair enough. And thanks for the citation.
By the way, is there really any need to have the second comment for Emperor, in reference to Anthems? "Pushing the boundaries" is a little vague to be including as a bullet point on their resumé.
By the way, is there really any need to have the second comment for Emperor, in reference to Anthems? "Pushing the boundaries" is a little vague to be including as a bullet point on their resumé.
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