The Never Ending Now Playing Thread

[NovembersDirge]

i've noticed it too, but at first i tought it was my ignorance's fault....
svartsot are nice, i've seen them about 2 years ago...

maybe the danes feel more european than swedes or norwegians, being them more in contact with the continent due to their geografic position... do they have been more influenced by the continental culture?
just a supposition...
i went to danmark years ago, and the family were i was accomodated they made me visit the old viking camp, so somewhere deep in their souls, they must know and feel their viking-ness

Yeah, it just kinda blows me away, but I think you're probably right that the Danes "feel more continental" in a sense. But the Germans have taken to Pagan Metal like a fish to water. Soo, there is probably something more going on there. But yeah, I think that Danes have to be aware of their heritage—I wonder if it's one of those fear of nationalism kind of things? I know that when I first got to Sweden and was talking about the bands that I really love from Sweden, people gave me weird looks because they thought I was some kind of neo-nazi or something. One of my better friends from Umeå was helping me translate some Vintersorg titles and she kept saying "Man, are you sure he's not a nationalist?" I thought it was interesting.

Of course, on the other hand, it seems like far right nationalism is actually more acceptable in Denmark and Norway than it is in Sweden. Soooo...?

edit: how is the last Sigh album?

One of my favorite records of the year. Totally worthy of our awe and worship, IMHO.

NP: Svartsot // Mulmets Viser

 

[Agah]

Might be because Denmark is completely flat, and not as cold as Norway and Sweden.

 

[tobz]

Svartsot // Mulmets Viser

How is that one, and most importantly, how does the new singer hold up to the old one? I've seen them live twice since the change, and even though he had up'ed himself the last time, he was still nowhere near the old one...

Comment on all the other stuff: As a native Swede I know Swedes in general have had phobias about neo-nazism for as long as I could remember. We are trying to be politically correct by forgetting and hiding our own heritage, thus giving rise to alot of neo-nazi groupings who work as a form of counterweight I suppose. On clear example = There was one school (not mine) when I went public school (around fourth fifth grade if I remember) where the school board forbade the rising of the flag and singing of our national anthem on our national day, with the fear that it would offend some minorities! Crazytalk, in my opinion. But there is a clear fear of declaring yourself proud of being Swedish if you don't want to be connected to that sort of people....

In Denmark the nazi problem is nowhere near same as in Sweden, here its much more immigrant gangs against bikers.
I believe it's because Danes in general have a much more relaxed view on life and history than Swedes do; and there are really many who call themselves Vikings, even several who convert to Asatro as a religion (there is even one organisation who have tried to make Asatro into a religion with the same status as christendom/islam/etc., with binding pagan marriages and such)

Musically, Danish bands are just generally bad at making themselves stand out. Melodeath and metal-core acts are a dime a dozen around here, but to stand out like Svartsot takes a bit more effort, and the general Danish metalhead would rather drink drink more beer and then just stand around and shout instead of wasting time with making interesting stage outfits and a clear theme for the band. Sad, but true...

Well, this was a long rant, hope I didn't put everyone to sleep

NP: Suidakra // An Dúdlacht

 

[Defiance]

Maybe danish people don't feel viking at all.

np: Vulture Industries - Soulcage. It's funny how this guys praise Arcturus and the singer tries too hard to sound like Garm, but still the song is good.

Besides Diablo Swing Orchestra, Solefald and (in some extent) Vintersorg/Borknagar, I haven't heard nothing really new and outstanding on avantgarde. Can someone recommend something?

edit: how is the last Sigh album?

How about uneXpect?

And the last Sigh album is pretty good .

i've noticed it too, but at first i tought it was my ignorance's fault....
svartsot are nice, i've seen them about 2 years ago...

maybe the danes feel more european than swedes or norwegians, being them more in contact with the continent due to their geografic position... do they have been more influenced by the continental culture?
just a supposition...
i went to danmark years ago, and the family were i was accomodated they made me visit the old viking camp, so somewhere deep in their souls, they must know and feel their viking-ness

I went to a viking museum in Norge, and it was pretty much empty. Slow day, or a portrait of Norwegian culture?

Yeah, it just kinda blows me away, but I think you're probably right that the Danes "feel more continental" in a sense. But the Germans have taken to Pagan Metal like a fish to water. Soo, there is probably something more going on there. But yeah, I think that Danes have to be aware of their heritage—I wonder if it's one of those fear of nationalism kind of things? I know that when I first got to Sweden and was talking about the bands that I really love from Sweden, people gave me weird looks because they thought I was some kind of neo-nazi or something. One of my better friends from Umeå was helping me translate some Vintersorg titles and she kept saying "Man, are you sure he's not a nationalist?" I thought it was interesting.

Of course, on the other hand, it seems like far right nationalism is actually more acceptable in Denmark and Norway than it is in Sweden. Soooo...?

Haha that's very weird, Mr V a nationalist. Hahahaha made my day .

 

[Allfader]

@Defiance: I already have 'In A Flesh Aquarium'. I liked a lot the first spins but their chaos at the end sounds too similar, like jazz...they play something totally different each time but you have the feeling of listening the same over and over.

I'll look for the Sigh album.

@Tobz/Defiance:
Here happens something similar, with all that Nazi stuff. If you're kinda proud of being chilean and/or you say you love the country - the land, history, etx - you are tagged as: a)Nazi; b)'facho' (Fascist/Right-wing political supporter, etx). The latter tag comes from the Pinochet' dictatorship on 70's and 80's. Politic shit aside, people here is not really proud of our history and heritage (even if we really have stuff to be proud of, well..I am). Damn, even for being a 'nature lover' you're associated to that, like saying nationalism in any sense/form is something really terrible and condemnable.
Sadly, natives here are discriminated and abused. A good part of them lost their lands and homes for the government' sales to foreign people/enterprises (a measure taken more on the last 20 years, that includes the concesion of water among others, which is incredibly expensive now at private hands).

I'm usually seen/tagged as Nazi when I play live for wearing a mjöllnir (now added the Borknagar dragon necklace), having a Chilean flag on my bass and guitar cases and a Vintersorg patch.

I've noticed too that a good share of people here think viking/folk music in general is a synonym of nationalism, thus, like nazism or something like that. I had a blog where I uploaded some translations from Vintersorg lyrics, some drawings of landscapes, myth articles and stuff like that and I received very harsh comments quite often, calling me and the band (Vintersorg) 'nazists' [Vintersorg nazi? WTF??].

np: Vintersorg - Under Norrskenets Fallande Ljusspel

 

[lefay82]

@Defiance: I already have 'In A Flesh Aquarium'. I liked a lot the first spins but their chaos at the end sounds too similar, like jazz...they play something totally different each time but you have the feeling of listening the same over and over.

I'll look for the Sigh album.

@Tobz/Defiance:
Here happens something similar, with all that Nazi stuff. If you're kinda proud of being chilean and/or you say you love the country - the land, history, etx - you are tagged as: a)Nazi; b)'facho' (Fascist/Right-wing political supporter, etx). The latter tag comes from the Pinochet' dictatorship on 70's and 80's. Politic shit aside, people here is not really proud of our history and heritage (even if we really have stuff to be proud of, well..I am). Damn, even for being a 'nature lover' you're associated to that, like saying nationalism in any sense/form is something really terrible and condemnable.
Sadly, natives here are discriminated and abused. A good part of them lost their lands and homes for the government' sales to foreign people/enterprises (a measure taken more on the last 20 years, that includes the concesion of water among others, which is incredibly expensive now at private hands).

I'm usually seen/tagged as Nazi when I play live for wearing a mjöllnir (now added the Borknagar dragon necklace), having a Chilean flag on my bass and guitar cases and a Vintersorg patch.

I've noticed too that a good share of people here think viking/folk music in general is a synonym of nationalism, thus, like nazism or something like that. I had a blog where I uploaded some translations from Vintersorg lyrics, some drawings of landscapes, myth articles and stuff like that and I received very harsh comments quite often, calling me and the band (Vintersorg) 'nazists' [Vintersorg nazi? WTF??].

np: Vintersorg - Under Norrskenets Fallande Ljusspel

the really sad thing here is that A LOT OF PEOPLE who likes black metal or viking metal is from extreme right.
so you, who listen to that stuff only because you like it, and have a profound love for northern countries and culture, are tought to be fascist or nazist.
it's a link that i don't like. it's an idea that too many people has because the majority of people who listens to this kind of genres confirms this idea. a sort of syllogism. people who likes viking is nazist. you like viking. you are a nazi. :zombie:
i love viking and black metal, but i'm not a nazi. and it's irritating when people looks at you like you are, and people on myspace asks you friendship because you share the same kind of musical taste, and when you talk to them you discover that they have this kind of beliefs.

 

[Defiance]

@Defiance: I already have 'In A Flesh Aquarium'. I liked a lot the first spins but their chaos at the end sounds too similar, like jazz...they play something totally different each time but you have the feeling of listening the same over and over.

I'll look for the Sigh album.

@Tobz/Defiance:
Here happens something similar, with all that Nazi stuff. If you're kinda proud of being chilean and/or you say you love the country - the land, history, etx - you are tagged as: a)Nazi; b)'facho' (Fascist/Right-wing political supporter, etx). The latter tag comes from the Pinochet' dictatorship on 70's and 80's. Politic shit aside, people here is not really proud of our history and heritage (even if we really have stuff to be proud of, well..I am). Damn, even for being a 'nature lover' you're associated to that, like saying nationalism in any sense/form is something really terrible and condemnable.
Sadly, natives here are discriminated and abused. A good part of them lost their lands and homes for the government' sales to foreign people/enterprises (a measure taken more on the last 20 years, that includes the concesion of water among others, which is incredibly expensive now at private hands).

I'm usually seen/tagged as Nazi when I play live for wearing a mjöllnir (now added the Borknagar dragon necklace), having a Chilean flag on my bass and guitar cases and a Vintersorg patch.

I've noticed too that a good share of people here think viking/folk music in general is a synonym of nationalism, thus, like nazism or something like that. I had a blog where I uploaded some translations from Vintersorg lyrics, some drawings of landscapes, myth articles and stuff like that and I received very harsh comments quite often, calling me and the band (Vintersorg) 'nazists' [Vintersorg nazi? WTF??].

np: Vintersorg - Under Norrskenets Fallande Ljusspel

the really sad thing here is that A LOT OF PEOPLE who likes black metal or viking metal is from extreme right.
so you, who listen to that stuff only because you like it, and have a profound love for northern countries and culture, are tought to be fascist or nazist.
it's a link that i don't like. it's an idea that too many people has because the majority of people who listens to this kind of genres confirms this idea. a sort of syllogism. people who likes viking is nazist. you like viking. you are a nazi. :zombie:
i love viking and black metal, but i'm not a nazi. and it's irritating when people looks at you like you are, and people on myspace asks you friendship because you share the same kind of musical taste, and when you talk to them you discover that they have this kind of beliefs.

I think you'll really like the new uneXpect .

Yes, it's very hard to be German. My grnadfather was born there, so I consider myself German too. When I say to someone 'I'm so proud of my German heritage/Deutschland! Deutschland!/ I consider myself German —amongst other nationalities—, they basically take it as if you were a Nazi. Those are really ignorant people, and most Germans (I guess, including me) feel very sad because the can't feel proud of their country because they'd be labeled as Nazis. I saw this a lot when I went to Germany, 'tis sad.

I'm kind of surprised about Chile, even with Pinochet and all, I thought that the country was much more united in terms of pride. And I wonder about the 'facho' stuff, since most of the Nazis (ca. 50K) went to Argentina, not Chile. What I like about Chile is that there's still a lot left of the original native population, unlike Costa Rica in which most of it was annihilated when the Spanish came. Costa Ricans are way too proud, and something that I hate is that they don't have a bit of European ancestry, but still follow U.S. or foreign "white" fashions.

Costa Rica is a really weird country, I love it, but everyday I feel less identified with it. Heck, I feel more Canadian, British or German than Costa Rican most of the time .


George Michael: Faith

The bass is really cool in this song.

 

[Defiance]

System of a Down: Toxicity

The only song I like from this band, but it's still actually very good. (I guess Chop Suey is decen too .)

 

[Defiance]

Vulture Industries: The Benevolent Pawn

More electro than Avant-Garde, but a great band nonetheless.

Tank yu for da ricomendeychon Olfader .

 

[Allfader]

I think you'll really like the new uneXpect .

Yes, it's very hard to be German. My grnadfather was born there, so I consider myself German too. When I say to someone 'I'm so proud of my German heritage/Deutschland! Deutschland!/ I consider myself German —amongst other nationalities—, they basically take it as if you were a Nazi. Those are really ignorant people, and most Germans (I guess, including me) feel very sad because the can't feel proud of their country because they'd be labeled as Nazis. I saw this a lot when I went to Germany, 'tis sad.

I'm kind of surprised about Chile, even with Pinochet and all, I thought that the country was much more united in terms of pride. And I wonder about the 'facho' stuff, since most of the Nazis (ca. 50K) went to Argentina, not Chile. What I like about Chile is that there's still a lot left of the original native population, unlike Costa Rica in which most of it was annihilated when the Spanish came. Costa Ricans are way too proud, and something that I hate is that they don't have a bit of European ancestry, but still follow U.S. or foreign "white" fashions.

Costa Rica is a really weird country, I love it, but everyday I feel less identified with it. Heck, I feel more Canadian, British or German than Costa Rican most of the time .


George Michael: Faith

The bass is really cool in this song.

Chile could be more united, but the politics keep the country divided (the socialist governments specially, headed by Lagos and Bachelet) cause a good amount of chileans are just stupid enough to believe all the shit spread by them.

About the native population, you still can find a lot (mostly at south) just cause the mapuches fought the spanish until Chile was a republic and cause a lot of tribes lived on the highest mountains.

Chileans usually mock natives just for being natives (natives from any place not just chileans, mostly peruvians), their skin color, their way of dressing, even the language. I'm mapuche and while I don't look like the 'stereotypical' indian (damn USAnians movies with all their derogatory treatment to natives/black people, etx) so I'm not object of mockery, I hate the general chilean attitude, specially cause almost all chileans are mestizos.

Always Chile has portrayed an image of solidarity and unity, but that only is true when a) A catastrophe hits the country; b)Teletón; c)the Chilean soccer team plays and wins. Still I love my country but most for the land and our history. People is getting worst with each generation and I usually feel like a stranger, an outsider.

NP: Borknagar - Universal (from TAC).

 

[Defiance]

Chile could be more united, but the politics keep the country divided (the socialist governments specially, headed by Lagos and Bachelet) cause a good amount of chileans are just stupid enough to believe all the shit spread by them.

About the native population, you still can find a lot (mostly at south) just cause the mapuches fought the spanish until Chile was a republic and cause a lot of tribes lived on the highest mountains.

Chileans usually mock natives just for being natives (natives from any place not just chileans, mostly peruvians), their skin color, their way of dressing, even the language. I'm mapuche and while I don't look like the 'stereotypical' indian (damn USAnians movies with all their derogatory treatment to natives/black people, etx) so I'm not object of mockery, I hate the general chilean attitude, specially cause almost all chileans are mestizos.

Always Chile has portrayed an image of solidarity and unity, but that only is true when a) A catastrophe hits the country; b)Teletón; c)the Chilean soccer team plays and wins. Still I love my country but most for the land and our history. People are getting worst with each generation and I usually feel like a stranger, an outsider.

Notice the slight correction that I made .

Ah well that's rather sad. In here the indigenous population is actually quite respected by most Costa Ricans, but the government does little to help them. Heck, they were not considered citizens, i.e. they didn't have an ID, unti 1997. And blacks were (are?) not considered part of the country until 1949 . Oh, we're so behind everything.

The vocalist from Vulture Industries (Bjørnar Erevik Nilsen) really sounds like Garm, I was quite confused at first .

 

[Allfader]

The vocalist from Vulture Industries (Bjørnar Erevik Nilsen) really sounds like Garm, I was quite confused at first .

Yeah, but just on studio cause he records 2 tracks per vocal line plus the obvious magick of the engineers. Live he sounds less processed and quite different IMO.

np: Borknagar - My Domain. Simen really incites people to sing along with him on this song.

 

[Defiance]

Yeah, but just on studio cause he records 2 tracks per vocal line plus the obvious magick of the engineers. Live he sounds less processed and quite different IMO.

np: Borknagar - My Domain. Simen really incites people to sing along with him on this song.

Sí, although I don't know if it's a good or bad thing . They're pretty good, very political, so I love that.

 

[phantomfreak]

I am VERY impressed with this album, it just might be my favorite Poisonblack album.

 

[Qu Appelle]

the really sad thing here is that A LOT OF PEOPLE who likes black metal or viking metal is from extreme right.
so you, who listen to that stuff only because you like it, and have a profound love for northern countries and culture, are tought to be fascist or nazist.
it's a link that i don't like.

It's a link I don't like, either.

Luckily, as far as I've seen here in the USA, Viking/Folk Metal is so obscure that the Far Right haven't glommed onto it - they still love their punk and country music. There are certainly those who like it, sure, but the vast, vast majority of fans here are just generic metalheads who find the odd instruments neat and like the songs in foreign languages. There are a fair bit of Asatruar/Heathens into it, but again, the ones I've seen and/or known aren't the White Nationalist type.

Plus, in the USA, having a connection with an/or associating yourself with your ancestral homeland isn't seen as 'odd' - the vast majority of the country descended from immigrants after they moved here and then tried their damndest to decimate the local indigenous populations (And Thank God they didn't succeed.) So me being Norwegian-American and being interested in the culture and the like? Gets a big shrug; Seattle's filled with 'em.

(As for the German bit; my Grandmother was part German, but she never NEVER said 'German' - instead, we were 'Pennsylvania Dutch'. My dad still follows that convention.)

 

[Naglfar]

Cathedral - Hopkins (The Witchfinder General)

In the U.S. metal isn't really associated with right-wing movements. Hardcore and punk, however, has its ugly neo-nazi side in both the U.S. and England.

But the whole ancestry thing here... I mean, there is some allure to American kids with regards to the whole edgy, violent side of metal. I remember in college, an acquaintance (good guy, just didn't hang out with him often) was telling me how he was at some metal show in Poland. There were the older metal dudes, some who had been to jail for whatever reason, standing in a corner. During one set, they started all nodding in approval. This guy was like, man, that was pretty cool, you know, to get that approval from your elders.

I don't really look for approval from criminals in my life, but for a lot of younger people the sketchy side of life has some appeal. I'd like the pretend people are into the whole viking / pagan aspect of their ancestry or just the culture in general, but the whole "Nordic" thing does carry a lot of weight in white power circles.

I know it's not the fault of Norwegian and Swedish people that Hitler thought they were the blonde giant cousins of Aryans, but disaffected Anglos / people of Western European descent are just as dumb as people anywhere. =)

 

[lefay82]

Cathedral - Hopkins (The Witchfinder General)

In the U.S. metal isn't really associated with right-wing movements. Hardcore and punk, however, has its ugly neo-nazi side in both the U.S. and England.

really?
the majority of punks in italy is of extreme left, or just anarchic!
never heard of a nazi punk here

 

[lefay82]

i'm not informed about sweden's last century's history, but why should they fear to be proud of their country?
did something really big happened? something polic? or is it all connected with the german matter?
sorry about my ignorance but i hate modern history

it was quite impressive when i went to germany to see the nazi ideas still so radicated. i remember to be stuck between two manifestations, one of extreme right and one of extreme left, and the german guys who were with us brought us away saying it was dangerous.
and i remember the german teacher speaking with our teacher about the fact that Weimar was elected as the city of european culture that year, and it was a shame for him because it is a city were the nazism is still so radicated and strong.

 

[Qu Appelle]

really?
the majority of punks in italy is of extreme left, or just anarchic!
never heard of a nazi punk here

It's not so much the punks but the skinheads. It's a minority, but there's a significant White Power Skinhead 'scene' in the US.

(Unfortunately, they may be catching on to the 'Nordicness' of the Viking Metal scene; in Seattle there's now a contingent of skinheads that attend every Folk/Viking Metal show in the area. Most are probably not racist, but there is a contingent where, if they're not outright WP folk, then they certainly are rude, especially in the pit.)

 

[Elvina]

Besides Diablo Swing Orchestra, Solefald and (in some extent) Vintersorg/Borknagar, I haven't heard nothing really new and outstanding on avantgarde. Can someone recommend something?

check out Pensées Nocturnes - Grotesque
can't say i dig it: too avant-garde for my taste... maybe you'll like it?

edit: listening to it right now... damn, it's pretty impressive even though it's tough to digest...