wrong... often the samples used are from the same kit, taken on the first day of recording while the skins are fresh. anyway, you show me the metal drummer who plays consistently enough and can do so on time and on budget, and doesn't charge a prohibitive fee, and i'll hire him for ALL my recordings. otherwise drummers are human and have some dynamic consistency issues no matter how good they are.... properly, samples are used primarily to even out dynamics so that you can hear the double kick and fast snare the whole time behind the wall of guitars.
you are confusing proper sample enhancement/replacement, with all the bedroom productions using DHF or EZdrummer and such. sure, there are a lot of shitty drum sample enhancement/replacement jobs out there...... and there are a lot of shitty guitar tones.... that doesn't invalidate the use of the technique. it simply means that there are some people doing it that perhaps don't know very well what they are doing or why.
sorry, those of us working professionally have to deliver a solid product regardless of how badly it may have been recorded before we get it, or how poor the musicians are when they show up. Oz mentioned sending poor musicians home... but when you're working for a label and you have a deadline and the bad player is a key member of the band, you don't really get that luxury.
i'm tired of all the "bedroom quarterbacks" pissing on everything. it's quite easy to sit at home and work with local bands and have all sorts of lofty opinions about how things "should" go... often though you just have to deal with the reality in front of you... and you have a complany that's paid/paying your fee.
and it's not like we are discussing very many bad sounding records here.... even the ones some of you are complaining about, like SAS, sound effin' great.... and you know it.
simmer down and quit crying about the tools we have at our disposal. take a stance and decide not to use them if you want, or just use them properly and get over yourselves.
Im not arguing about the fact that samplereplacement might make it sound better, im arguing about the point that its one of those things that is "de-evolutioning" the modern musician.
You dont have to hit the kicks, snare or toms consistently, because you can just samplereplace it.
Not that its a good example of the perfect drumsound, but listen to Racer X - Scarified, and the dynamics that you have in the kick.
If that kick would have been samplereplaced, you wouldnt get that driving feel out of it.
And you are absolutely right that no drummer is as perfect as a triggered sample, and thats my exact fuckin' point.
Why is the modern sound based on a perfection that cant be reached in real life?
And i agree, you guys might be annoyed that us "bedroom-guys" are evaluating whats right and not right to do.
But we are large consumers of music, and we share a great deal of knowledge between us on this forum too, so i think its safe to say that our opinion matters just as much as yours.
And i do understand that you sometimes HAVE to do these things because of labels & deadlines pushing you.
But dont you agree that it would sound better if you just got more time and could get it done properly?
(Im not asking whether thats the reality or not.)