The Ron Paul appreciation thread!

(also ironically, I was just watching this interview before seeing your post)

Obama's attack on civil liberties within and outside of the United States has gone beyond Bush. So I don't see how exactly right-wing authoritarianism or plain authoritarianism for that matter is an effective anti-Paul argument, quite the contrary actually. If you wanna talk about authoritarian tendencies, it's Obama you should be talking about. That is if you are awake to what your government has been doing and where it seems to be heading.

Personally what interests me the most about Paul is his foreign policy. I am from the middle east (from one of those Arab Spring countries), you know, that place where 99% of people either dislike or hate the U.S. (as a government really), and increasingly so over the years. If you want to know why and what these people really want from America, ask Ron Paul. He's the first American politician I've ever seen who got it all right. Just an honest perspective, it's your choice if you prefer more of that Obama-style change instead.
 
(also ironically, I was just watching this interview before seeing your post)

Obama's attack on civil liberties within and outside of the United States has gone beyond Bush. So I don't see how exactly right-wing authoritarianism or plain authoritarianism for that matter is an effective anti-Paul argument, quite the contrary actually. If you wanna talk about authoritarian tendencies, it's Obama you should be talking about. That is if you are awake to what your government has been doing and where it seems to be heading.

Personally what interests me the most about Paul is his foreign policy. I am from the middle east (from one of those Arab Spring countries), you know, that place where 99% of people either dislike or hate the U.S. (as a government really), and increasingly so over the years. If you want to know why and what these people really want from America, ask Ron Paul. He's the first American politician I've ever seen who got it all right. Just an honest perspective, it's your choice if you prefer more of that Obama-style change instead.

Oh God, I worked with Democracy Now! in college, and I have worked with Occupy Wall Street. While I agree with their sentiment and ideals, there are most definitely ulterior motives of some of its cohorts on the lowest level and biases in their articles. Even if it may not be connected to a mainstream media force, people will still tweak the facts to their advantage.

Actually the right-wing authoritarianism thing wasn't aimed at Ron Paul, but more just the Minnesota and the Mid-West in general. There's a sort a false sense of reality among some people there that makes me rage, blind to other cultures and religions, let alone no clue as to how "the other side" lives or issues with urban poverty. I've never been, but only heard stories. Personally, I have had no real deep-seated problems with Obama (mainly because of the push for health care reform.) I won't disagree with you about Obama's authoritative tendencies, but on a domestic level, it seems to have helped and acted as a safety net for people who are at risk or already have fallen into poverty. Perhaps authoritative measures were needed to repair the havoc left over from the economic deregulation and warfare from the Bush years?

Ron Paul is a viable choice, because he speaks truthfully and from the heart. He's out for the American people, not for himself, or a corporate entity. I like how his focus seems to be concerned with putting more power into the hands of the state vs on a federal level (most of our issues as a nation seems to be stemming from the fact that we are being treated as one lump rather than by regions) However, is he a realistic choice? Unfortunately, because so many Americans seem blind to party corruption or just disconnected from politics in general, we are sort of locked into the two party system (see my French election rant) People are waking up, but not fast enough. Because I'm concerned about where women's health issues may stand (especially with this bullshit birth control bullshit with the Catholic church) I'm probably going to vote Green Party, unless Ron Paul states he's okay with leaving these choices up to the state (which has not exclusively come out to say this election) I know he's strongly pro-life (which I have no problem with) but the fact that nothing is being done about making birth control more affordable is a bit scary if abortion legislation starts falling (I pay $60 a month for my BeYaz, which I can afford, but God forbid I wasn't living at home.)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...e-facebook-generation-in-the-arab-spring.html

http://www.opendemocracy.net/5050/y...a-failed-“arab-spring”-or-sectarian-nightmare

And honestly, too, I feel Arab Spring is a failed movement, if not, one that we haven't seen move to its fullest potential yet. The fall of Mubarak in Egypt destabilized the situation with Iran, causing bullshit with Israel, and now putting the Middle East at risk for another war. The movement sparked hell in Syria, now they are in civil war and I have no clue what is going on in Bahrain. People know what they DON'T want, but people can't seem to agree on what they DO want. This is the same problem with OWS, as someone who has attended GA meetings. There's so much idealism and so much hope, but people do not know how to turn these ideas and concepts into common actions which will satisfy everyone's needs. Sorry to be vague, but where do we go from here?
 
1. Ron Paul is a viable choice

2. He's out for the American people

3. concerned with putting more power into the hands of the state vs on a federal level (most of our issues as a nation seems to be stemming from the fact that we are being treated as one lump rather than by regions)

4. Because I'm concerned about where women's health issues may stand (especially with this bullshit birth control bullshit with the Catholic church)

5. unless Ron Paul states he's okay with leaving these choices up to the state (which has not exclusively come out to say this election)

6. I know he's strongly pro-life (which I have no problem with) but the fact that nothing is being done about making birth control more affordable is a bit scary if abortion legislation starts falling


1. No, not really.

2. The rich, white, straight, God-fearing ones.

3. This totally worked with slavery, the civil rights movement, sped up female suffrage, etc.

4/5. Why in the hell would you ever want those issues to vary state-by-state? Look what's happened with our sex education - Red states by a vast majority have the highest teen-pregnancy rates. Imagine what would happen when you suddenly strip them of free and convenient contraceptive care and the option to have an abortion? Our population is high enough as it is.

6. Right, but he also writes legislation directly targeting abortion rights and I'd bet money that he has no desire to make birth control more affordable unless you buy the "free market = cheapest option for health care" argument.


That all said... can we PLEASE stop with the states' rights talk? Nobody actually supports the concept. What people support is the simplest way to get their preferred legislation passed. When it comes to curtailing civil rights, going through the states is the easiest way to do that. I'm not pointing fingers at side of the aisle exclusively - both left/right are guilty of utilizing/excluding the states' rights concept when it suits their needs.
 
People know what they DON'T want, but people can't seem to agree on what they DO want. This is the same problem with OWS

that whole "movement" is/was doomed to fail for that exact reason. not only is it impossible to enact any sort of change when you don't even know what change you're pushing for, but the entire format of a leaderless movement that takes its direction from a sea of wiggling fingers is just ludicrous. imagine the civil rights movement without MLK...or woman's suffrage without susan b. anthony. that isn't to say that neither of the groups they represented wouldn't have made the progress they felt was necessary over time, but without a face for their cause who was capable of uniting their brethren and giving focus to their efforts, the reforms they strived for would have been much harder to achieve.

i remember telling a friend of mine when the OWS demonstrations started that there would be 1 of 2 outcomes. #1 - kids sit in park until the authorities get sick of them, and gas the crowd and they disperse. #2 - kids sit in park until authorities get sick of them, gas the crowd, crowd fights back, heads get busted open, and then the crowd disperses. to the best of my knowledge, between the dozens of cities that hosted OWS sit-ins, they were all put to an end by one of the aforementioned scenarios.

the simple fact is that IMO, it's pretty naive to think that, in this day and age of unchecked greed and concentrated wealth, that those who have worked so hard(and cheated so many) to obtain said wealth are going to magically give it up to a bunch of kids chanting and playing drum circles in a park. while the entire concept of inspiring change through mass, non-violent demonstrations is so beautiful and heart-warming on its surface, it's just not the effective catalyst that it once was. for those who believe otherwise, just ask this guy:

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1. No, not really.

2. The rich, white, straight, God-fearing ones.

3. This totally worked with slavery, the civil rights movement, sped up female suffrage, etc.

4/5. Why in the hell would you ever want those issues to vary state-by-state? Look what's happened with our sex education - Red states by a vast majority have the highest teen-pregnancy rates. Imagine what would happen when you suddenly strip them of free and convenient contraceptive care and the option to have an abortion? Our population is high enough as it is.

6. Right, but he also writes legislation directly targeting abortion rights and I'd bet money that he has no desire to make birth control more affordable unless you buy the "free market = cheapest option for health care" argument.


That all said... can we PLEASE stop with the states' rights talk? Nobody actually supports the concept. What people support is the simplest way to get their preferred legislation passed. When it comes to curtailing civil rights, going through the states is the easiest way to do that. I'm not pointing fingers at side of the aisle exclusively - both left/right are guilty of utilizing/excluding the states' rights concept when it suits their needs.

I see what you are saying and I do agree about the your views in federal vs state stuff, however I think my concern is more accomodating for regional differences. I understand and do agree with what your statement though.
 
The rich, white, straight, God-fearing ones.

Show us some video, audio, or written evidence from the man himself (not horseshit newsletters or biased journalism), or else please stop spreading misinformation.








 
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Show us some video, audio, or written evidence from the man himself (not horseshit newsletters or biased journalism), or else please stop spreading misinformation.

His economic theories, stance on the Civil Rights act, support for DOMA, having authored the Sanctity of Life act, the papers he's written on religion and the supposed war on it, etc. Get over yourself.




Romney needs 58 of Texas' 155 available delegates in today's primary. This race is done.
 
How are state's rights possibly a bad thing? Isn't it considerably more democratic than the alternative? If a state is red and votes in red laws, then surely that's an example of democracy in action. In that situation, that state's blue voters losing out is the lesser evil so that majority rule stays.
 
How are state's rights possibly a bad thing? Isn't it considerably more democratic than the alternative? If a state is red and votes in red laws, then surely that's an example of democracy in action. In that situation, that state's blue voters losing out is the lesser evil so that majority rule stays.

They aren't in principle, but they have a historical tendency to strip rights from minorities and having laws too inconsistent with each-other from state-to-state introduces a number of problems socially, legislatively, and economically, which is why we have things like the Full Faith and Credit Clause to try to ensure that states honor each-others laws within reason.

For the right-wing crowd, "within reason" doesn't apply to things like marriage equality, civil unions, domestic partnerships, just like it didn't apply to interracial marriages before the US Supreme Court forced it to.

A democracy is not a tyranny of the majority - there is an inherent duty to uphold the rights of the minority if the rights of the majority are to mean anything at all, and if the state wants to maintain any semblance of dignity and fairness.

And to take it one further... direct-democracy being touted as purest and best is a tough argument to back up when you look at what's happened in CA as a result of our direct-democracy setup with ballot-initiatives. We're bankrupt and nearly insolvent as a result of allowing the people to directly vote on initiatives they're allowed to put onto election ballots, not to mention things like Prop 8 get passed because of insane lobbying on the part of private corporations/institutions (I'm looking at you, Mormons).





Annd just for the record, as of writing this post, Romney has 1174 delegates.
 
For the right-wing crowd, "within reason" doesn't apply to things like marriage equality, civil unions, domestic partnerships, just like it didn't apply to interracial marriages before the US Supreme Court forced it to.

Right. It's important to understand that without the federal government intervening in state's rights we'd still have segregation, poll taxes, and forced sterilization in some states.
Everyone can think of instances where they think the federal government should step back but those instances ussually correspond directly with the likelihood of their politics prevailing. No one ever says "keep FEMA the fuck away from our disaster relief."
 
Ah yes, the "the numbers you're hearing are wrong here are the real ones that support our argument" Paultard go-to. No such thing as confirmation bias.

*edit* That site is super credible, loving the sources.
 
Well, at least it doesn't look like many of the other nonsensical conspiracy sites which appear as if they were programmed by a pack of mentally retarded 13 year olds in 1998.
 
I have just spent the past hour reviewing this thread and I can't believe some of the comments made by people. We could all have different opinions regarding Ron Paul and his policies, especially regarding his stance on the various and sundry social issues. But one area no one should be critical on is his economic policy because it is rooted in economic truth- not fallacy. The fact is when you have government bureaucrats working with a central bank to distort interest rates through credit manipulation you will always have malinvestment in an economy that results in massive booms and busts that weaken our economy and subsequently, our country as a whole. There is more than enough economic research and data to support this that is rooted in the general laws of economics and human action. Ron Paul's main tenant of his economic policy is to eliminate the Federal Reserve bank or at a minimum, restore a sound monetary policy not rooted in inflationary credit. We would ALL benefit from this in the form of a robust, productive economy. The only way you could disagree with Ron Paul's economic policy, is if you have a general ignorance regarding economics and I implore you to start reading! The Mises Institute might be a good place to start<<<<my Austrian economics plug.

Also, I have to comment on the central argument regarding socialized healthcare in the United States and Ron Paul's strong free-market position in this area. The reason we spend so much on healthcare as a percentage of GDP is due to the fact that the government (and the states) have increasingly subsidized healthcare and reduced cost sharing through government programs such as Medicare and Medicaid. This has "distorted" the equilibrium price of healthcare making it appear as though it is cheaper than it really is, thus spurring demand for healthcare services and increasing its aggregate price. Combine the above with massive regulatory costs imposed by federal agencies and the general surge in progressive litigation that requires medical professionals to carry more insurance, and you have the perfect conditions for price inflation in the healthcare industry. Ron Paul's common sense policy is to, once again, restore the price system through the free-market and remove government distortions. The price will "naturally" fall as the supply and demand for healthcare services adjusts towards the "real" equilibrium.

I know Ron Paul's chances of being elected are diminishing as we speak, but that does not negate the fact that we can't applaud and promote his economic policy because it is the ONLY policy that will restore economic prosperity in the United States.