The Ultimate Modelling Challenge

[onqel]

elapidae1: The impulse is made by Wild Hades('Alu' at the guitarampmodeling.com) and it's a part of the Sperimental Mesa pack.. you'll find it over there if you search btw, I doesn't blame everything on the impulses.. because all ampsims are simplifications of the real thing in one way or another, I think of impulses as a 'polaroid photo', where a real cab is a blu-ray movie

 

[poisson]

I hate to be a jerk, but the sim tone you conjured up really isn't even anywhere close to good. It's undergained, hollow, lacks depth, has no presence, has nasty mids, and has no low end. Even though Lasse wasn't shooting for the best tones in his recording, he got very good results. Use this opportunity to try to match your sim tone more closely to his and you will be happier with your mixes and tones in the future.

Hey lolzgreg,

No problem at all I really appreciate your honesty and tearing the clip apart. Your feedback helps me develop a better ear for these things.

I've uploaded a new clip... still doesn't have the depth and punch of the original (even though I'm using Mesa IR's), but hopefully an improvement. Thanks for your time.

reecto take 2

 

[Lasse Lammert]

some cool clips already!

 

[::XeS::]

Who said ampsims are just presets? In your mentioned future when as you said there are perfect simulations for the real thing, then it will sound (duh) exactly as the real thing. How does loading a preset in an amp sim any different than setting up your amp like it says in your piece of paper titled "my amp settings" and miking it up like it says in the paper?


I intend no personal attack towards you at all, but I just feel you (as many many people) just disguise your "real amp elitism" with blames that ampsims suck the soul of music, when you should be blaming Disney really

I think Funky get my personal point of view.
I understand what you mean and you're not wrong. This is like the fight between tape and digital recordings.
But my point of view is this: I started with impulses, simulators, etc... but after some time they started boring me and the impulse of try the real deals become very big. And let me say it, it's a totally different world.
Dealing with some real gear gives a totally different emotion when you work...changing mics positions, changing speaker positions and thousands of other things make this an awesome job.
I understand you can do something similar with less effort, but personaly, also with 20 free good ampsim I can't get the same passion I get with a single real amp and real cab.
I think we are in a critical period because these things can make this job easier but at the same time they ruins this job because, who know what's the next step? Guitar hero guitars everywhere? Preset that mix automaticaly your songs? I mean, for a musician these can be awesome things but for a producer they can be very bad, expecially thinking about the possible future.

 

[JayB]

I agree with DanLights and Owen here. They would've said the same shit when PT came around , and all that REALLY matters in the end is the AE , and the tools he has to work with. If you are more creative with a real amp in front of you , that's understandable because that's what we grew up on. But if in 10 years ampsims are sounding just as good or better than the real amps , I would go with the sims ( duh ). You can possibly even be MORE creative with these things , since you can start with a basic preset that sounds half decent and tweak it until it sounds amazing (as opposed to starting from square 1 and getting overly frustrated). This would make things more fun and easier for people starting out (not to mention cheaper and more feasible) and for them would bring about more creativity. Real amps are awesome and so are sims , there is no reason to bash either one. IMHO

 

[dcb]

ive been using ampsims mainly since 2001 - and my best ampsim tones came after years and years of tweaking.
its in no way easier to get a great tone out of sims... its all about experience. same with amps.
you can be unique with ampsims, and i think its actually more unique using ampsims on your records than using real amps, its basically your weapon of choice.
i recently talked to michael wagener via mail, and hes still not convinced with the whole ampsim stuff (mainly talking about the axe fx). but thats
just because this guy is guitartone, hehe. but then again fredrik from meshuggah loves digital - and i love both ways of working.

i think we should look at sims as another way to express yourself. if you like the familiar sound go for that, if you wanna have somehting different go for that.
i have th eimpression people tend to think using ampsims is wrong. there is no "wrong" in making music anyways.

back to topic :
really liked some tones i heard here. lets ahve more. im still working on my version, but havent had the time to actually sit down and tweak.

 

[Rex Rocker]

Here's a clip of my new toy (still under development).. it's a simulation of the 5150II/6505+ and you didn't have any clips of that amp in the "challenge".. so it's closer to the 5153 than the 5150.. I suck at matching tones anyway

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1369729/MP3/X50/x50_2.mp3

- TSS Vintage Overdrive
- .. the neverending project X50
- Sperimental Mesa Trad 4x12 V30 SM57 05 (LeCab)
- No EQ

I've had some issues with the project, and still do..

I think that sounds pretty damn good!

 

[dcb]

a quick try with ts + revalver mk III (flathill ... tried the 6505 couldnt match the tone) + ourcab with mesa 1
i have to admit there is slight eqing going on, but as ive gotten close enough (to my ears) i thought id leave curve eq on.
im actually shocked how similar they sound... still there is too much low end going on, but the character is definately there.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3233582/Ultimate Metal Challenge/5150 Revalver Try.mp3

 

[poisson]

I just couldn't dial in the exact frequencies in either the amp or standard IR. The sim was never modeled after a mesa so that's my first excuse. So I basically cheated a bit and added one extra plug in the chain to get this final clips tone.

howwl booster-->reecto-->Boogex w/(Mesa IR from Alu Sperimental)-->BBE Sonic Maximizer

reecto take 3

i'm done, my ears hurt.

 

[onqel]

poisson: did you make that ampsim by schematic or ear?

 

[poisson]

poisson: did you make that ampsim by schematic or ear?

Hi, onqel-

I do them all by ear. I wish I could read schematics and code in c++.... would probably be further along if so.

 

[stilllifer]

Here's my humble attempt - it's too late for my ears to tell which amp it sounds closest to...

It's TSS/LePou456/Boogex Framus 4x12 V30 on one side and TSS/Dirthead/Boogex Marshall 1960 4x12 V30 on the other...

Shit - is it OK to use 2 amp sims to try and recreate the tone??? Not sure if I read that in the rules or not... fuck I hope so...

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2816313/modellingchallengestilllifer.mp3

 

[lolzgreg]

I just couldn't dial in the exact frequencies in either the amp or standard IR. The sim was never modeled after a mesa so that's my first excuse. So I basically cheated a bit and added one extra plug in the chain to get this final clips tone.

howwl booster-->reecto-->Boogex w/(Mesa IR from Alu Sperimental)-->BBE Sonic Maximizer

reecto take 3

i'm done, my ears hurt.

This is a lot darker than your last one, but it definitely sounds more like an amp.

I would experiment further with impulses.

 

[Melb_shredder]

Ha any one posted anything worth listening to yet??? Nets capped, wondering whch to attempt

 

[dcb]

Ha any one posted anything worth listening to yet??? Nets capped, wondering whch to attempt

yeah, there is some pretty cool ones. anyone listened to my clip ?

 

[MetalMiller]

First, sorry for the bump!

Inspired by this hread: http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/production-tips/710368-yt-match-eq-ir-tutorial.html

I just thought to give Wide Hades technique another chance. It´s completely impulse based and can be found here: http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/andy-sneap/355055-best-way-match-eq-impulses-lot-stuff-inside-clips-impulses-images.html

Found it a lot easier than Clark Kent´s method. What i´ve tried was to match one of lasse´s tones he´d once posted.

Ok, here´s what Lasse provided:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/929252/MesaRectoRevF.mp3

Here´s the matched tone i´ve got:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/929252/Orch%20Nov%202011UM.mp3

I just raised some highs and mids for my simple as fuck riffage. All knobs at non gives a you a close as fuck tone to lasse´s mesa clip.

At least for non guitar gods like me, this technique works a thousand times better...


All you need is here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/929252/Lasse%20Recto%20Match.rar

Oh and i´ve used Metal Machine for drums.

 

[reneisgod]

rules;
NO POST PROCESSING!
NO POST PROCESSING!
NO POST PROCESSING!
NO POST PROCESSING!

 

[DanLights]

honestly, no post processing is quite unfair, we all know an ampsim will not sound as good as an amp right away, they need a lot more work than real amps. I think Miller´s try is great, very close! I think the only thing it´s lacking is a bit more "in your face" and separation, but the tone is almost there

 

[MetalMiller]

Thing is, i don´t own a decent guitar. With a good axe and same pickups you should get even closer.

Just wanted to show that: If you´ve got DI´s and reamped tracks ("real gear") of them, you can easily recreate the tone once you know how it works. All in all this technique is much more easier then capture EQ curves and jazz. Tried this three times with different amsims and/or IR´s and it worked just fine. It even worked with boogex internal ir
Sure, in most situations you haven´t DI-tracks, than the match eq thing is the way to go.

Don´t want to be a dick, just love the results...

Original track (bounced to mono):

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/929252/Lasse%20Recto%20Original.wav

Lepou Lextac (Between-1 IR)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/929252/Fake%20Lextac%20Recto%20%28Between-1%29.wav

Lepou Recto (Asem)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/929252/Fake%20Lepou%20Recto%20%28Asem%29.wav

Lepou Recto (Boogex cab 6)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/929252/Fake%20Lepou%20Recto%20%28Boogex%20Cab%206%29.wav

They all slightly different. We know 100% is impossible. Personally i like the gain structure of lextac the most.

 

[hkollner]

Awesome!!!!