The Whining and Bitching Thread

[Slammed]

The government are saying they couldn’t back burn because it was too dry to do so. So they do nothing. Total bullshit. My stepdad had been clearing and mowing down the road they live on himself, but it was still way too overgrown and if the council had caught him doing that of course they would fine him.
So their procedure instead of doing proper prevention is just to do early evacuations and high five each other if no people die.

The annoying thing is we've been dealing with this since at least the 80's. Every year the excuse is something different, every election the new government blames the previous government. They wont let people drive 4wd's through the parks, they wont let cattle graze in the highlands and then the greenies get all the bush tracks closed and governments think a closed gate stops fires. At the same time local councils insist fire breaks be cut, they insist long grass be cut and they insist that landowners remain vigilant about fire safety. Each of our farms that border state forests comes with an order from the department of sparks and embers telling us how big the fire break must be and when it needs to be in place, but the state government rarely cleans up on the other side of the fence. It sucks and unfortunately we've just had to learn to live with it.

I went into my parents property on Monday to round up the cattle and fix fences etc and I couldn’t believe the houses that survived. Old weatherboard places in dense bush with trees literally hanging over the roof. My parents place was out in a clearing surrounded by mowed green grass and garden. God is an absolute prick.

Fire like that is unbelievable and unpredictable. The house I grew up in survived Black Sat. but thirty metres to one side the neighbours was burnt to the ground, less than 100 metres from them the house on the next block exploded in a massive fire ball leaving nothing, 50 metres further on the house was standing. In many places it looked like the fire almost selectively picked out houses. We had one side of a bus scorched, all the windows explode and the seats burn, yet on the other side of the bus the paint work looked brand new.

 

[Slammed]

Looters, I hadn't even considered that. Good point.

It was seriously hard to deal with when it happened. Then on day three when the cops completely took over the road blocks many people assumed they could just get back using the excuse "I lost my ID in the fire" but the cops were under orders and it eventually came down to rego plate checks. But being in the bush there is always heaps of ways into the properties and the looters still struck and struck as hard as they could.

An event like Black Saturday brings out the best in people and there is always good people out there, but unfortunately it also brings out the worst in people and the poor buggers on site have to quickly weigh up everything, they are rarely just following one set of orders.

 

[CiG]

Yeah thieves ruin it for everybody else. Honestly people that loot houses in a situation like that are the lowest scum there is, should probably get the rope along with parcel thieves.

 

[Slammed]

You have another potential case of liability when the home owner who has lost everything arrives at his house to find a looter and hurts or kills them for what they are doing. They might well deserve it but the looter's family then starts suing people. It's all fucked up and fucked up from every angle.

 

[CiG]

They might well deserve it but the looter's family then starts suing people. It's all fucked up and fucked up from every angle.

Is that a real thing? Why would the looter's family sue anybody because their family member was hurt or killed in the process of committing a crime?

 

[Slammed]

It may not happen that way all the time but our system allows for it. There has been people injured in the process of robbing houses successfully suing for damages. There was a woman in QLD who got shit faced in a pub and walked out the door and into the path of an oncoming car and sued both the car driver and the publican. It probably wont get them out of the crime but in this country you can't just shoot someone because you find them breaking the law and if you do there is a possibility you could find yourself in more trouble than the other person.

 

[CiG]

Pathetic.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Pretty much how it is dude. One of the many reasons I don’t own a gun.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Pretty much how it is dude. One of the many reasons I don’t own a gun.

+ the government wouldn't let you own one even if you wanted to.

 

[Krow]

Castle laws here. Kill intruders, ask questions later. Be made out as a hero.

 

[Satanstoenail]

While I agree in part you still have to look at it from a safety stand point. If they let anyone back in after they order to leave has been issued it makes whoever changes the order liable for what happens. It sucks and it's why the stay or leave order needs looking at but there is a lot more to it than just letting someone back in.

During Black Saturday we had plenty of people let through the road blocks under the guise of "helping", "it's my house" and many other excuses more than 50% of them who got let through in the first three days were fucking looters. I feel for people who lose shit and one rule rarely fits all situations but it's not a personal thing that these volunteers and aides on the scene do.

I totally understand all that but they were letting others back in to collect pets and they let a girl back in to collect a helmet that was used in a 70’s cop show. It was in the news. Meanwhile, my stepdad can’t even run in to collect important documents and turn the sprinklers on.

The annoying thing is we've been dealing with this since at least the 80's. Every year the excuse is something different, every election the new government blames the previous government. They wont let people drive 4wd's through the parks, they wont let cattle graze in the highlands and then the greenies get all the bush tracks closed and governments think a closed gate stops fires. At the same time local councils insist fire breaks be cut, they insist long grass be cut and they insist that landowners remain vigilant about fire safety. Each of our farms that border state forests comes with an order from the department of sparks and embers telling us how big the fire break must be and when it needs to be in place, but the state government rarely cleans up on the other side of the fence. It sucks and unfortunately we've just had to learn to live with it.

Blaming the greenies to me sounds like you’re still complaining about shit like you were in the 80’s. Times have changed and ‘the greenies’ are well aware that prevention and planning is required. I totally agree with the majority of what you say by the way, but I blame government and council arse covering above all else. As long as their boxes are ticked and a bunch of people don’t die, it doesn’t matter what happens.

Fire like that is unbelievable and unpredictable. The house I grew up in survived Black Sat. but thirty metres to one side the neighbours was burnt to the ground, less than 100 metres from them the house on the next block exploded in a massive fire ball leaving nothing, 50 metres further on the house was standing. In many places it looked like the fire almost selectively picked out houses. We had one side of a bus scorched, all the windows explode and the seats burn, yet on the other side of the bus the paint work looked brand new.

Yep doesn’t surprise me at all. I saw crazy flammable and combustible stuff everywhere that the fire had just gone around for no apparent reason whatsoever.

 

[Slammed]

I totally understand all that but they were letting others back in to collect pets and they let a girl back in to collect a helmet that was used in a 70’s cop show. It was in the news. Meanwhile, my stepdad can’t even run in to collect important documents and turn the sprinklers on.

I wasn't there so I obviously can't comment on the specific case but I do see both sides and there is always two sides to everything.

Blaming the greenies to me sounds like you’re still complaining about shit like you were in the 80’s. Times have changed and ‘the greenies’ are well aware that prevention and planning is required. I totally agree with the majority of what you say by the way, but I blame government and council arse covering above all else. As long as their boxes are ticked and a bunch of people don’t die, it doesn’t matter what happens.

The greenies do still deserve a large portion of the blame, they demand trees be planted on any vacant land and en masse, they demand tracks and other such areas get closed off to the public to be preserved. Sure the governments, local, state and federal don't have to listen but like above there is two sides to every story and governments at all levels have to be seen to be doing something proactive. It's easier to bend over at the request of the greenies and ignore shit like back burning that only becomes an issue when there is a fire than it is to let the greenies get out of hand all the time. Look at those fucking greenies in East Gippsland whose protests hampered getting machinery out to help in the fires, these work for the dole protesters are a fucking joke and cause more problems that they will ever admit too. The words "Fertilise the bush. Doze in a Greenie" are as true today as they were when they were first spoken.

 

[CiG]

"Fertilise the bush. Doze in a Greenie"

 

[The Ozzman]

Manic doesn't own a gun because the big tiddy goth girls in his head told him they were bad

Castle laws here. Kill intruders, ask questions later. Be made out as a hero.

Same. Castle Doctrine in Ohio. Covers house and primary vehicle.

Just make sure you say to the officers that you were 'in fear for your life' so it doesn't come back as manslaughter or something like that.

 

[EternalMetal]

If Satan ever breaks out of the underworld, it will be through some gateway in Australia. The place seems like hell on earth right now.

 

[Satanstoenail]

The greenies do still deserve a large portion of the blame, they demand trees be planted on any vacant land and en masse, they demand tracks and other such areas get closed off to the public to be preserved. Sure the governments, local, state and federal don't have to listen but like above there is two sides to every story and governments at all levels have to be seen to be doing something proactive. It's easier to bend over at the request of the greenies and ignore shit like back burning that only becomes an issue when there is a fire than it is to let the greenies get out of hand all the time. Look at those fucking greenies in East Gippsland whose protests hampered getting machinery out to help in the fires, these work for the dole protesters are a fucking joke and cause more problems that they will ever admit too. The words "Fertilise the bush. Doze in a Greenie" are as true today as they were when they were first spoken.

Can you point me towards some info about this stuff going on? I thought it was all years ago.

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

If Satan ever breaks out of the underworld, it will be through some gateway in Australia. The place seems like hell on earth right now.

yeah, it does

 

[Slammed]

Can you point me towards some info about this stuff going on? I thought it was all years ago.

It was in the news yesterday, two protesters chained to trees in East Gippsland hampering the efforts of fire fighter. I don't read much by way of mainstream press so it would have been on something like news.com.au or one of those sites.

These same work for the dole protesters have had camps set up near or within the East Gippsland forests for more than 10 years. Want proof of that go and visit the area they are a fucking annoyance. The days of chaining themselves to dozer blades and truck bullbars disappeared for a few years but they have come back and thankfully the media are not chasing these stories every time they happen.

The greeines getting tracks blocked has happened progressively for the last ten of fifteen years in every state forest in the state, the same as beach driving. People have been banned from doing recreational things in the bush for years. Local council and government websites show which tracks and forests are no longer open to recreational sports like 4wd, fishing, and motorbikes. Sure in more than a few cases the idiots with 4wds are their own worst enemy and they ruin forests which leads to others being sensible being banned but this state has closed more beach tracks and forest tracks than any other state and the fines for being caught at ridiculous. We live in the country and use tracks all the time as short cuts to different towns, to get firewood, to get between the farms and thanks to the greenies we can now get fined for going on some of those tracks.

Our entire estate burnt through Black Saturday because the greenies insisted planting 1000 gum trees in an estate of less than 40 blocks.

 

[Satanstoenail]

It was in the news yesterday, two protesters chained to trees in East Gippsland hampering the efforts of fire fighter. I don't read much by way of mainstream press so it would have been on something like news.com.au or one of those sites.

These same work for the dole protesters have had camps set up near or within the East Gippsland forests for more than 10 years. Want proof of that go and visit the area they are a fucking annoyance. The days of chaining themselves to dozer blades and truck bullbars disappeared for a few years but they have come back and thankfully the media are not chasing these stories every time they happen.

The greeines getting tracks blocked has happened progressively for the last ten of fifteen years in every state forest in the state, the same as beach driving. People have been banned from doing recreational things in the bush for years. Local council and government websites show which tracks and forests are no longer open to recreational sports like 4wd, fishing, and motorbikes. Sure in more than a few cases the idiots with 4wds are their own worst enemy and they ruin forests which leads to others being sensible being banned but this state has closed more beach tracks and forest tracks than any other state and the fines for being caught at ridiculous. We live in the country and use tracks all the time as short cuts to different towns, to get firewood, to get between the farms and thanks to the greenies we can now get fined for going on some of those tracks.

Our entire estate burnt through Black Saturday because the greenies insisted planting 1000 gum trees in an estate of less than 40 blocks.

Googling gets me nothing on that story but I’ll take your word for it.

I’m aware greenies and hippies in general are an annoyance and mindless eco preservation is stupid but I didn’t think these people had any say in forest management.

 

[CiG]

The Greens are fucking spastics. I voted for them at the top of the card once as a troll, I usually vote for the Christian Party or whatever.