things you hate with a passion

[Dak]

I should start quoting BtA lyrics to maintain a balance.

 

[Ink_Wirey]

I hate Christians because they spout bullshit like this.

I am not a Christian, nor do I believe in any specific god. Thank you for trying to contribute.

First of all, it was more than likely an exaggeration. Secondly, it was a blanket statement, and not to be taken literally. I'm fairly certain that V5 would not hate all religious people/Christians he came in contact with; he probably was just exposed to one specific example of how a Christian or Christian affiliation did something stupid. Most likely it had something to do with the history and image of Christianity in general, which most of us know is not the most reputable.

Now perhaps we can avoid the fiasco.

Christians.

also religious people in general. Do not want.

I'm afraid I do not follow your interpretation. How could one example of Christian stupidity, individual or en masse, lead to such people being the first thing he thinks of when he thinks of hatred? The same question applies to its disreputability, which is overshadowed in this regard by countless examples.

 

[skeptik]

I am not a Christian, nor do I believe in any specific god. Thank you for trying to contribute.

What the fuck does your religious background have to do with my statement? It did not hinge on whether or not you in particular believe in a gigantic sky fairy. Smart ass little shit.

 

[False Joe]

itt: ink_wirey is thick is pig shit.
he a gay motherfucker nigga.

 

[Krow]

A little Satan's Revenge On Mankind lyrics for everyone... from the classic; Jesus Loves You, Because He's Gay

Once upon time in israel
There was a whore
Her name was maria and she spread
Her legs for everyone
One day the wanker josef came
And fucked her hard
She gave birth to a monstrosity
And called it "son of god"

jesus is fucking fag
He loves you because he is gay
As well he has it off with midgets
He likes it hard in any way
jesus says "i love you all"
To penetrate your back entrace
He just wants to lick your balls
So he fools every age and race

When he aged he hatched a plan
To satisfy his lust
He knew if he wanted assholes
He needed peoples trust
So he spread the lie that he was
The true saviour
Now jesus fucks the world and
churchmen say it's good behaviour

 

[Ink_Wirey]

What the fuck does your religious background have to do with my statement? It did not hinge on whether or not you in particular believe in a gigantic sky fairy. Smart ass little shit.

I do not think I mentioned anywhere that your statement hinged on my personal beliefs. Since "bullshit like this" was at the very least on some level connecting me to Christians I felt clarifying my personal beliefs was in order.

Unfortunately I still can't see which parts are bullshit, but I'm sure you can explain it very well to me. Thanks again.

edit: Joe, I'm sorry that getting drunk on your own has not made you feel kind and free -- that can be one of the few positive effects of alcohol. Maybe next time getting drunk with other human beings would be a good idea, as generally it's a social lubricant and so better consumed socially.

 

[False Joe]

itt: ink wirey is annoying/baiting.

 

[Eligos]

And he thinks he's cute.

 

[mutantllama]

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST PEOPLE DON'T RESPOND TO TROLLS

 

[skeptik]

Since "bullshit like this" was at the very least on some level connecting me to Christians I felt clarifying my personal beliefs was in order.

It wasn't, and your personal beliefs, again, are irrelevant.

Unfortunately I still can't see which parts are bullshit, but I'm sure you can explain it very well to me. Thanks again.

I can, because I'm fucking great.

One reason I have found people to resent Christians is actually a form of jealousy. They find the world a very dark place and cannot understand how it feels to have a belief in God/gods and hope for the future. Another reason would be location-specific, if one lived in an area full of aggressively evangelizing fundamentalists. If this is not the case I see no reason to hate Christians or religious people for being so, hence my curiosity.

This is the kind of bullshit that Christians say. They say that they've "found" this and that to be true, but what they really mean is that they want to believe that this and that is true. Everyone wants to think that everyone else is 'jealous' of what they have as a mechanism for justifying the quality of their 'possession,' whether or not the idea has any basis in reality whatsoever. The average atheist has no interest in theological dogma, and it would make no sense to be jealous over something that you believe not to exist. Although I would imagine that some must exist, I have yet to meet any atheist who felt that they would rather believe in Jesus' magical afterlife superhappyfuntimeland than accept the reality that they see, namely that there is no such thing and that the very idea of such a thing sounds rather ridiculous. Frankly, the idea of a perpetual afterlife frightens me. A better argument for you might be that atheists fear an everlasting life, and that fear turns them against Christianity, because I know a lot more atheists who find the God of the Bible pretty damn frightening than I do atheists who think it would be just fucking swell to sit in Heaven all day.

Atheists don't find the world to be a dark place. That's a pile of shit. This ridiculous notion that nihilism = GREAT SADNESS O NOES MY LIFE IS MEANINGLESS needs to end. Nihilism feels fucking great, I wouldn't prefer it any other way. I take great comfort knowing that life as we know it was caused by random events taking place and knowing that I was not "put on this earth" for some divine purpose. Fuck that. Atheism feels great. Nihilism tastes great. Cynicism smells great. The life of skepticism is a smorgasbord for the senses.

 

[mutantllama]

In during shitstorm

 

[Ink_Wirey]

Guys, I've asked some reasonable questions and was expecting some kind of reasonable answers, which I don't feel I've had.

I admit my last comment to Joe was inappropriate but it's disappointing if aggressive, childish knee-jerks are the only responses you can come up with; I thought metal fans were generally quite smart and open to discussion. Still, I apologize for anything you consider to be trolling (though I find my posts far less trollish than most of the responses I've had so far...)

Thank you Einherjar86 for the civil and thought-out reply -- at the time I didn't think it'd be such a rarity!

edit: I had not seen your latest post DodensGrav -- I will read it now and thanks for elaborating.

 

[skeptik]

I'm mostly just fucking around, in that I don't actually 'hate' most Christians. And I doubt anyone here really hates all Christians. I'm just tired of answering questions like this. If you would actually read the thread you were linked to, you would probably find that I've already answered your exact questions multiple times.

 

[Ink_Wirey]

It wasn't, and your personal beliefs, again, are irrelevant.

I disagree, especially as most of the replies have been personal rather than informatory. I am not a Christian pushing an agenda and felt that needed to be stated; I am looking for answers, not trolling.

This is the kind of bullshit that Christians say. They say that they've "found" this and that to be true, but what they really mean is that they want to believe that this and that is true. Everyone wants to think that everyone else is 'jealous' of what they have as a mechanism for justifying the quality of their 'possession,' whether or not the idea has any basis in reality whatsoever. The average atheist has no interest in theological dogma, and it would make no sense to be jealous over something that you believe not to exist. Although I would imagine that some must exist, I have yet to meet any atheist who felt that they would rather believe in Jesus' magical afterlife superhappyfuntimeland than accept the reality that they see, namely that there is no such thing and that the very idea of such a thing sounds rather ridiculous. Frankly, the idea of a perpetual afterlife frightens me. A better argument for you might be that atheists fear an everlasting life, and that fear turns them against Christianity, because I know a lot more atheists who find the God of the Bible pretty damn frightening than I do atheists who think it would be just fucking swell to sit in Heaven all day.

Atheists don't find the world to be a dark place. That's a pile of shit. This ridiculous notion that nihilism = GREAT SADNESS O NOES MY LIFE IS MEANINGLESS needs to end. Nihilism feels fucking great, I wouldn't prefer it any other way. I take great comfort knowing that life as we know it was caused by random events taking place and knowing that I was not "put on this earth" for some divine purpose. Fuck that. Atheism feels great. Nihilism tastes great. Cynicism smells great. The life of skepticism is a smorgasbord for the senses.

Interesting points. I will respond as a whole rather than nitpick each point. My experience of nonbelievers being envious of believers is not a pesonal interpretation but from the horse's mouth. Since people generally enjoy life to the point of clinging to it, they want it to exist in some form or another forever. Many people simply cannot comprehend such a thing to be true, despite wishing it were so. This is the category of people I was referring to with my 'jealousy' comment, and I do not know for a fact but would wager that these people outnumber pure nihilists and atheists who have no desire for paradisiacal immortality.

Another thing is that those who do have such faiths are often confident of success and happiness in future times, whether this confidence is based on pure nonsense or not. The unknown is a natural cause of anxiety in mankind (an example being Darkyn seemingly spending half his time thinking about the illuminati's next secret plot to make us all slaves ) and I think that those who have strong enough faith to be very optimistic about their lives and the future have less angst and easier lives in the main.

I certainly didn't mean to imply that atheists find the world a dark place, but that people who do find the world to be a negative thing -- and this generally happens through having a fucked up life and bad personal experiences with people -- have natural consequent struggles to accept the possibility of any loving god or higher power; again a reason to envy believers. I also believe from going to metal shows that many metalheads have been victims in some form or another and have had unpleasant lives...metal's catharsis is wonderful in this respect.

It is very true that nihilism isn't inherently negative but I do tend to assume that it is often a consequence of people who do not enjoy existence and can find no value in it as a result; this may be wrong but it's my gut feeling.

I guess my next question is: why wouldn't you want heaven? What exactly is there to fear about it? I'm afraid this isn't something I can get my head around. Is it because a divine power putting you here for a special reason might entail certain responsibilities in life? What about a hypothesis that God is simply loving and put you here to enjoy life and you are rewarded at the end of it for eternity? Would you still not want this?

Thanks for your time and I look forward to reading about more of your views some time in the next few days.

 

[Ink_Wirey]

I'm mostly just fucking around, in that I don't actually 'hate' most Christians. And I doubt anyone here really hates all Christians. I'm just tired of answering questions like this. If you would actually read the thread you were linked to, you would probably find that I've already answered your exact questions multiple times.

Too late I'm afraid, I've already spewed. 'Actually' reading a 60-page thread mostly filled with awful one-liners to find an answer to my query wasn't something I wanted to do though -- sorry.

I'm off now, so enjoy your evening guys.

 

[skeptik]

I guess my next question is: why wouldn't you want heaven?

I seek finality.



I'm going to hit enter a few times and start typing again down here because that line seems kind of profound and important so I think it should stand on its own. In a way, yes, I do seek finality. That is not at all to say that I have any wish to die, but simply that I have no desire to live an immortal life, in whatever form. I'm not in a rush, but I would still like there to be an end. When I die, I would like to think that consciousness as I'd perceived it as the complex organism that I was no longer exists.



I honestly don't know what atheists you're referring to, because I don't know them. The atheists I know think as I do, and have not reached their beliefs due to some tragic events in their lives but rather simply through critical thinking. I grew up and was raised a Christian, and even made Confirmation into a Protestant church. I still work there to this day as a janitor. But I've been an atheist for half of my life now, since I was 11. I didn't suffer any horrible circumstances in 1998. I simply "got to thinking," so to speak, and it occurred to me that the only reason that I go to church and listen to what this preacher tells me and read the Bible and ignorantly accept the existence of this mythological phenomenon is because it had never been proposed to me that the world may be as other than what I'd been told previously. The only reason that I accepted that there was a god was because I was told that there was a god, and I was never told that there wasn't. I had to think about it on my own, think about whether there really is a god, and all the tools and faculties of my mind that I had at my disposal at the time suggested to me that there was no basis for this belief, and I still feel the same today. For this reason, I feel hesitant at times to acknowledge that those who lose their faith due to horrible life experiences are genuinely atheist because they have reached their beliefs not through reason, but through feeling, through emotion, and that's no better than believing in a higher power. If you lose your faith in a higher power simply because the world doesn't unfold as you think the higher power would want it to unfold, then your faith probably wasn't very strong to begin with, and the integrity of your current belief is most likely lacking as well.

 

[Einherjar86]

I'm afraid I do not follow your interpretation.

Try harder.

How could one example of Christian stupidity, individual or en masse, lead to such people being the first thing he thinks of when he thinks of hatred? The same question applies to its disreputability, which is overshadowed in this regard by countless examples.

I don't understand how you can't grasp this fact. Christianity, as a whole, has several negative attributes associated with it. It stands to reason that people would automatically recall these attributes when considering Christianity.

And furthermore, I said that V5 was most likely exaggerating. Therefore, he didn't literally mean what he said.

 

[False Joe]

an example being Darkyn seemingly spending half his time thinking about the illuminati's next secret plot to make us all slaves

This troll knows his shit.

 

[False Joe]

edit: Joe, I'm sorry that getting drunk on your own has not made you feel kind and free -- that can be one of the few positive effects of alcohol. Maybe next time getting drunk with other human beings would be a good idea, as generally it's a social lubricant and so better consumed socially.

And a belated lol at this.

 

[The Heartbreak Kid]

Going to a party the night before work. Im gunna be fucked.