To you, what defines "Metal"

[JoeVice]

Seriously, I can't think of one single metal band that doesn't use distortion.

didn't dave vincent do death vocals for an album with acoustic guitars?

 

[NFU]

2a. Other have stated guitar distortion is important, but I don't concur (unless I'm not defining distorted guitar properly).

what....the....fuck??

 

[marwa]

metal?

 

[kendoji]

metal is both visceral and emotive imo

 

[Bierbommetje]

Most of the times there is very little groove and next to no swing, as opposed to a sort of mechanical beat that drives the music. There are almost no blues influences found in metal (bar solos), which is the factor that sets it apart from hard rock. Vocals, as said, can be of virtually any type. Metal often features distorted/overdriven guitars playing recurring (often minor key) riffs. Drums often feature double-base and a fair ammount of cymbal-work. Metal usually features bleak lyrics.

If a band has most of the above attributes, it's pretty safe to call them metal. But all are far from being rules. Metal is possibly the hardest-to-define genre.

 

[My Arms, Your Purse]

Anchorhead

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

k what the fuck happened there... wrong thread and double post

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

Symphony x- ?????
Pain of Salvation- Scarstruck

probably a bit early but...... MORE Akercocke!!!!!

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

Most of the times there is very little groove and next to no swing, as opposed to a sort of mechanical beat that drives the music. There are almost no blues influences found in metal (bar solos), which is the factor that sets it apart from hard rock. Vocals, as said, can be of virtually any type. Metal often features distorted/overdriven guitars playing recurring (often minor key) riffs. Drums often feature double-base and a fair ammount of cymbal-work. Metal usually features bleak lyrics.

If a band has most of the above attributes, it's pretty safe to call them metal. But all are far from being rules. Metal is possibly the hardest-to-define genre.

Almost no blues influences? are you insane or do you just not know what blues is?

 

[Bierbommetje]

Almost no blues influences? are you insane or do you just not know what blues is?

Care to point me some blues influences (bar solos) on Master of Puppets?

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

Care to point me some blues influences (bar solos) on Master of Puppets?

ha I love it how you say bar solos seen as you know that all kirk can play is sped up blues solos so therefore you basically answered your own question. The solos are heavily blues influenced.

 

[Bierbommetje]

ha I love it how you say bar solos seen as you know that all kirk can play is speed up blues solos.

Exactly. The solos are the only elements that recall a blues influence (and even those are hardly comparable to real blues solos).

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

Exactly. The solos are the only elements that recall a blues influence (and even those are hardly comparable to real blues solos).

alot of the chord progressions and etc are blues bassed. I beleive the "power chord" was first used in blues playing so yea, your about 100% wrong
.....Sorry

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

If you want a clear example incase you still dont understand, What did Sabbath start off as? A blues band called "Earth". From there, their sound developed into what would become the first Sabbath album and argubly the first metal album... Clear now?

 

[Bierbommetje]

alot of the chord progressions and etc are blues bassed. I beleive the "power chord" was first used in blues playing so yea, your about 100% wrong
.....Sorry

lol... no... if a song features chord progressions that are blues-based, Id label it hard rock. Master of Puppets features no such chord progressions.

Oh, about the powerchord thing, thats a technique and has little to do with musical influences. Also, the powerchord was basicely invented by Link Wray, who technicely didn't play blues but rock 'n roll.

If you want a clear example incase you still dont understand, What did Sabbath start off as? A blues band called "Earth". From there, their sound developed into what would become the first Sabbath album and argubly the first metal album... Clear now?

Sabbath are hard rock in my book.

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

lol... no... if a song features chord progressions that are blues-based, Id label is hard rock. Master of Puppets features no such chord progressions.

Oh, about the powerchord thing, thats a technique and has little to do with musical influences. Also, the powerchord was basicely invented by Link Wray, who technicely didn't play blues but rock 'n roll.



Sabbath are hard rock in my book.

Thats crap, "power chords" were used in blues long before Link Wray.
I suggest you need to look up the word "influences" in the dictionary my friend. Black Sabbath are widely hailed as the pioneers of metal. If you think a song like Black Sabbath is hard rock, well, no wonder you are so mis-guided.

 

[Bierbommetje]

Thats crap, "power chords" were used in blues long before Link Wray.
I suggest you need to look up the word "influences" in the dictionary my friend. Black Sabbath are widely hailed as the pioneers of metal. If you think a song like Black Sabbath is hard rock, well, no wonder you are so mis-guided.

I recognize their influence on metal. It is just my OPINION that they are hard rock.

 

[Rocky Raccoon]

I recognize their influence on metal. It is just my OPINION that they are hard rock.

Well obviously you have never heard any Doom Metal..

So what would you say were among the first metal bands then?

Everyone from James hetfield to Phil Anselmo to the guys in Priest & Maiden reckon that Sabbath were the pioneers of metal but I suppose you know better

 

[Leandro]

Does it matter?

 

[Bierbommetje]

Well obviously you have never heard any Doom Metal..

So what would you say were among the first metal bands then?

Everyone from James hetfield to Phil Anselmo to the guys in Priest & Maiden reckon that Sabbath were the pioneers of metal but I suppose you know better

I don't see the relevance of the question. I simply gave/defended my view of the genre of metal. It is simply my opinion, nothing more. I don't care what James Hetfield or whoever say. I consider Black Sabbath hard rock and an important stepping stone in the evolution of metal as I see it. That's it.