Top 10 all-time favourite Metal albums

[HamburgerBoy]

I never said anything about nu metal, and Exodus and Overkill both jumped into groove metal quite naturally. All it took was an Andy Sneap production, Rob Dukes vocals, and slightly slower songs for people to call Let There Be Blood a groove metal abomination. E.g. groove metal is thrash metal and anyone denying that is a double-standard-having elitist.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

E.g. groove metal is thrash metal and anyone denying that is a double-standard-having elitist.

+1 to the HBB facepalm count.

So i guess death metal is thrash too, right? What about speed metal, is that also thrash?


And outside of lyrical content, there's really nothing comparable about early Exodus and Pantera. So i don't know how in the world they would get lumped into the same category.

Anyway, exodus suck(mostly) and Sad Wings is far from being a fucking "work of art".

 

[CiG]

Thrash definitely evolved into Groove Metal in the 1990's, sure.

Either way, describing Pantera as knuckle-dragging is an insult to the truly knuckle-dragging bands like Mortician and Coffins.

 

[Mort Divine]

Mortician might actually be worse than Pantera.

 

[The Butt]

Pantera isn't that bad. They have a few decent tunes. I can think of worse bands.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Yes, groove did come partly from thrash, just as death metal did, but that;s about it. There was plenty of good underground thrash bands during the early to mid 90s when Sepultura, Slayer and a few others decided to sell out and join the groovey kids. One thing i dont understand is why Exodus sometimes get lumped into the groove metal conversations. Is it because of Force of Habit? I havent listened to that album in years but i dont remember it being a full on groove metal album like say Roots or Far Beyond Driven.

Coffins are sick, i wouldnt really label them as knuckle dragging DM. Mortician on the other definitely do qualify for that title, too bad they suck ass though. Well to be fair they're not bad for background music, but that's about it .. there is no way i can sit down and actually listen to one of their albums.

Pantera isn't that bad. They have a few decent tunes. I can think of worse bands.

Far Beyond Driven and The Great Southern Trendkill are both solid albums. It's just that most people here will not come down from their glossy metallic high horses and admit it.

 

[CiG]

Mortician might actually be worse than Pantera.

 

[EspaDa]

There are lots of worse bands. Disturbed or DevilDriver. Or Soulfly. Garbage.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

+1 to the HBB facepalm count.

So i guess death metal is thrash too, right? What about speed metal, is that also thrash?


And outside of lyrical content, there's really nothing comparable about early Exodus and Pantera. So i don't know how in the world they would get lumped into the same category.

Anyway, exodus suck(mostly) and Sad Wings is far from being a fucking "work of art".

Death metal is much more distinguished in terms of being its own thing than groove metal.

 

[The Butt]

There are lots of worse bands. Disturbed or DevilDriver. Or Soulfly. Garbage.

I agree tbh.

 

[CiG]

I fucking love Mortician for their sheer brain dead take on Death Metal, the horror worship helps too.
Though I mostly stick to their very earliest material, the drum machine is a bit much, even if I respect why they use it.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Death metal is much more distinguished in terms of being its own thing than groove metal.

Oh so Far Beyond Driven and post Chaos AD Sepultura sound more thrashy to you than Old School Death metal bands like Death, Morbid Angel, Cannibal Corpse, Deceased, Master, Pestilence, etc? okay bro.

 

[CF87]

I fucking love Mortician for their sheer brain dead take on Death Metal, the horror worship helps too.
Though I mostly stick to their very earliest material, the drum machine is a bit much, even if I respect why they use it.

I dig Hacked Up For Barbeque.

 

[no country for old wainds]

I'm assuming that you're elitist enough to pretend that it's their only acclaimed album.

lol. i think the pomposity of quotes like this speaks for itself tbh. it almost goes beyond presumption into paranoia. some people just can't get out of their own asses long enough to consider that maybe just maybe people can hold differing opinions without an ulterior motive. i'm not necessarily saying all my opinions are consistent with one another (although these two - liking exodus and disliking pantera - sure as fuck are), but i can say that it's not down to dishonesty or bias, or at least nothing i'm conscious of. a cursory look at my tastes would probably demonstrate this, but of course it's much easier to just presume the worst.

i'd concede this argument if you actually backed up your claim of equivalence with anything more substantial than a very broad lyrical similarity, but you didn't, because you can't. they clearly aren't much alike in overall tone; the lyrics take on an entirely different flavour to pantera's in context, particularly if i were to handpick some of pantera's more meatheaded passages. BONDED BY BLOOD is demonic and unhinged in a way that pantera never were; pantera's brand of aggression is far more traditionally and outwardly masculine (or 'bro'ish as you like to call it), not to mention the strained sacharrine ballads, sleazy southern grooves, sterile production and other such shitty attributes which don't apply to exodus.

although, for the record, i do easily prefer the second half of BbB. 'piranha' and 'deliver us to evil' are my jams, man.

 

[CiG]

I dig Hacked Up For Barbeque.

Mortal Massacre!

 

[HamburgerBoy]

lol. i think the pomposity of quotes like this speaks for itself tbh. it almost goes beyond presumption into paranoia. some people just can't get out of their own asses long enough to consider that maybe just maybe people can hold differing opinions without an ulterior motive. i'm not necessarily saying all my opinions are consistent with one another (although these two - liking exodus and disliking pantera - sure as fuck are), but i can say that it's not down to dishonesty or bias, or at least nothing i'm conscious of. a cursory look at my tastes would probably demonstrate this, but of course it's much easier to just presume the worst.

i'd concede this argument if you actually backed up your claim of equivalence with anything more substantial than a very broad lyrical similarity, but you didn't, because you can't. they clearly aren't much alike in overall tone; the lyrics take on an entirely different flavour to pantera's in context, particularly if i were to handpick some of pantera's more meatheaded passages. BONDED BY BLOOD is demonic and unhinged in a way that pantera never were; pantera's brand of aggression is far more traditionally and outwardly masculine (or 'bro'ish as you like to call it), not to mention the strained sacharrine ballads, sleazy southern grooves, sterile production and other such shitty attributes which don't apply to exodus.

although, for the record, i do easily prefer the second half of BbB. 'piranha' and 'deliver us to evil' are my jams, man.

You didn't exactly rush to defend the Zetro albums so I'll assume I nailed it on that point.

Sure, Bonded By Blood is full of nominally "Satanic" content, but it was only for the scare effect. They never believed it, and while No Love/Deliver Us to Evil are more explicit about it, the first side is primarily macho posturing decorated in pentagrams. There aren't any "So you can lick my sac" or "Walk on home boy"s on it, but that's just their own surface decoration of being rednecks. The core idea, physical aggression for the purpose of imposing a sense of superiority and brotherhood, is the same. Give me examples from Pantera then if you disagree.

I'll agree that the second side is better. In fact, it could very well be my favorite side B of all time.

 

[no country for old wainds]

You didn't exactly rush to defend the Zetro albums so I'll assume I nailed it on that point.

BbB is easily my favourite exodus but it's not like i shit on all the others (generally not fond of the new stuff, it must be said, but i've given FABULOUS DISASTER in particular a ton of playtime over the years). that's not what you said anyway, you suggested i'm elitist enough to pretend it's their only acclaimed album, which you just pulled out of nowhere. it's certainly their MOST acclaimed album, but they have plenty of others, that isn't really disputable.

Sure, Bonded By Blood is full of nominally "Satanic" content, but it was only for the scare effect. They never believed it

that doesn't really matter to me, there's still a strong 'satanic' element no matter how gleeful or glib, not just lyrically but in terms of the overall sound. i think you're underplaying how much it contributes to their identity and appeal, particularly when compared to pantera who lay their more down-to-earth brand of machismo on pretty thick.

The core idea, physical aggression for the purpose of imposing a sense of superiority and brotherhood, is the same.

i actually enjoy rousing RAISE THE HORNS METAL BROTHERS UNITE type stuff in general, that isn't in itself on the list of things i don't like about pantera. i don't see exodus as aggressive in the same way, they have a heightened, b-movieish quality that's more in line with the fantastical strain of heavy metal i enjoy the most.

I'll agree that the second side is better. In fact, it could very well be my favorite side B of all time.

tis pretty damned awesome innit

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Exodus are shit. BbB is okay, rest of their shit is borderline garbage with a few okay tracks here and there.

 

[CiG]

Bonded By Blood is a gem of the highest order, but I essentially agree with the rest of what this Tech-poop loving bozo ^says.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

lol@ Bonded by Blood being a fucking "gem of the highest order".

Tech poop? Coroner > BbB, Obliveon > BbB, Invocator > BbB, Sadus > BbB, Vektor > BbB, etc .... "Tech-poop" > your life.