What are your thoughts on expiermental metal/metalcore?

[Manic Ferocity]

At its roots, grindcore is a sub-genre of punk.

 

[LuminousAether]

Funeral doom is incredibly fast paced metal.

 

[Krow]

Funeral doom is incredibly boring shit.

 

[LuminousAether]

Shape of Despair is pretty alright and so is Skepticism. Can't say they are music I enjoy when I'm doing things like driving, exercising, playing fps games, going for a walk, etc. though.

 

[Satanstoenail]

Hmmm... maybe you're right. But bands like Sonata Arctica and Dragonforce have riffs more reminiscent of pop/rock yet are considered metal. And what about grindcore bands? They basically play 3-chord punk riffs really fast, so how exactly are those guitar riffs uniquely metal?

Most of the grindcore I've heard contains a large quantity of metal riffage to go with the three-chord riffs, and I'd wager it's the same sort of thing with bands like Dragonforce although I'm not entirely familiar with their stuff because I usually start feeling extremely nauseous and light-headed if I listen to them for more than 3 seconds.

 

[warchild7.62]

At its roots, grindcore is a sub-genre of punk.

death and grindcore are subgenres of punk AND metal i thought...???

 

[Saparmurat_Niyazov]

Death metal has nothing to do with punk. Grindcore is the offspring of hardcore punk and death metal. Granted, Napalm Death started in 1981, but Venom started in 1979, and they were basically the primordial ooze from which black and death came, so don't give me that "Napalm Death are older than death metal" bullshit.

 

[warchild7.62]

Death metal has nothing to do with punk. Grindcore is the offspring of hardcore punk and death metal. Granted, Napalm Death started in 1981, but Venom started in 1979, and they were basically the primordial ooze from which black and death came, so don't give me that "Napalm Death are older than death metal" bullshit.

yeah i know death metal has nothing to do with punk dude...what i meant was...i thought that deathcore and grindcore came from punk and metal...

 

[Saparmurat_Niyazov]

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Yeah, basically. Like I said, grindcore is a combination of hardcore punk and death metal, while deathcore is a combination of hardcore (not to be be confused with hardcore punk) and death metal.

 

[gundamterran]

There are a select few Deathcore bands, like Animosity, or The Red Chord who seem to be more of a mixture of hardcore punk/grindcore and death metal, but for the most part it is just "hardcore" and death metal. Nowadays though its more post-hardcore/metalcore and death metal.

 

[Pitiless Wanderer]

my finger wont stop bleeding because i picked a scab off the knuckle. im staring at the blood. Im so metal.

 

[EternalMetal]

Addressing the original post, experimental metal is great if done right. Metalcore for the most part is not composed music that is thematically based, but something heavy that you can mosh or party to. Which is why it is generally looked down upon by metalheads. Same with the punk scene, where pop punk bands gained popularity by having feel good choruses that the majority could party and have fun with it going on in the background. This would explain why for the most part, the mainstream is filled with bands that are not as stylistically creative or as instrumentally impressive as metalheads who want to compose an album with the sole interest of creating music in mind. Anybody who has met a "hardcore kid" should be able to notice his tendency to simply want to headbang to a simple rhythm, fast breakdown, etc.

This of course implies a superiority complex about bands like Blut aus Nord, who create compositionally impressive material yet still remain in the underground. Or perhaps a band like Dead Congregation, while still staying true to the traditional death metal sound create unique and crushing death metal. Compared with bands that focus on directionless technicality or catchy choruses, underground bands put more thought into creating a cohesive album focused on unique styles, tonalities, and perhaps even creative concepts. Unsigned bands also dont have to worry about the pressures of record labels who impose on a band's creativity. As a result, the underground and mainstream will always maintain disconnected from one another in terms of trends or popularity. Who knows what the next trend in "metal" will be, but needless to say it will result in a wave of bands who attempt to fit the mold of the trend while creating watered down albums with subpar content.

The future of metal is going to be similar to what we have seen originate in the 90s, and perpetuated in the last decade; Which is the creation and expansion of subgenres that originated from the original metal scaffold. I wont go crazy with genre labeling, but the majority of metal can fit into a few basic categories, including heavy/traditional metal, doom, death metal, and black metal. For example, nu-metal has roots in the heavy metal scene, metalcore in death metal, etc.

The underground scene, as it still remains, will have bands that stick more to the traditional confines of the genre they are playing (death metal, black metal). Others will be combining their influences to create less traditional forms of music, be it successful or a failure (this judgment call is inevitably in the ears of the listener). From what I have seen from the last few years, I am rather optimistic about the future of the metal underground. As long as people continue to listen to metal, there will always be an interest among the fans to create new music from their perspective. Of course we will still be flooded with subpar musicianship, amateur compositions, and failed experimentation and emulation, but there will always be the exceptions from the norm that outshine the majority.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Death metal has nothing to do with punk. Grindcore is the offspring of hardcore punk and death metal. Granted, Napalm Death started in 1981, but Venom started in 1979, and they were basically the primordial ooze from which black and death came, so don't give me that "Napalm Death are older than death metal" bullshit.

All extreme metal was influenced by punk in some way. However, pure grindcore IS a sub-genre of punk, specifically hardcore.

 

[warchild7.62]

Addressing the original post, experimental metal is great if done right. Metalcore for the most part is not composed music that is thematically based, but something heavy that you can mosh or party to. Which is why it is generally looked down upon by metalheads. Same with the punk scene, where pop punk bands gained popularity by having feel good choruses that the majority could party and have fun with it going on in the background. This would explain why for the most part, the mainstream is filled with bands that are not as stylistically creative or as instrumentally impressive as metalheads who want to compose an album with the sole interest of creating music in mind. Anybody who has met a "hardcore kid" should be able to notice his tendency to simply want to headbang to a simple rhythm, fast breakdown, etc.

This of course implies a superiority complex about bands like Blut aus Nord, who create compositionally impressive material yet still remain in the underground. Or perhaps a band like Dead Congregation, while still staying true to the traditional death metal sound create unique and crushing death metal. Compared with bands that focus on directionless technicality or catchy choruses, underground bands put more thought into creating a cohesive album focused on unique styles, tonalities, and perhaps even creative concepts. Unsigned bands also dont have to worry about the pressures of record labels who impose on a band's creativity. As a result, the underground and mainstream will always maintain disconnected from one another in terms of trends or popularity. Who knows what the next trend in "metal" will be, but needless to say it will result in a wave of bands who attempt to fit the mold of the trend while creating watered down albums with subpar content.

The future of metal is going to be similar to what we have seen originate in the 90s, and perpetuated in the last decade; Which is the creation and expansion of subgenres that originated from the original metal scaffold. I wont go crazy with genre labeling, but the majority of metal can fit into a few basic categories, including heavy/traditional metal, doom, death metal, and black metal. For example, nu-metal has roots in the heavy metal scene, metalcore in death metal, etc.

The underground scene, as it still remains, will have bands that stick more to the traditional confines of the genre they are playing (death metal, black metal). Others will be combining their influences to create less traditional forms of music, be it successful or a failure (this judgment call is inevitably in the ears of the listener). From what I have seen from the last few years, I am rather optimistic about the future of the metal underground. As long as people continue to listen to metal, there will always be an interest among the fans to create new music from their perspective. Of course we will still be flooded with subpar musicianship, amateur compositions, and failed experimentation and emulation, but there will always be the exceptions from the norm that outshine the majority.

well written...u should be a writer for the metal world dude...what bands do u listen to...???

 

[EternalMetal]

Thanks man, glad you liked my post. My writing isnt that good though, lol

As for what bands, I guess linking my lastfm would be the easiest way to answer that: http://www.last.fm/user/DelectableOreos

 

[Dr Tran]

I enjoy metalcore to be honest. I don't know why people hate on it so much. They say every single person who listens to it is an emo fag who wears all black. And i fullfill none of those . Listen to what you want to listen to and don't care about what anyone else thinks.

 

[Saparmurat_Niyazov]

Being an individual takes balls.

 

[warchild7.62]

I enjoy metalcore to be honest. I don't know why people hate on it so much. They say every single person who listens to it is an emo fag who wears all black. And i fullfill none of those . Listen to what you want to listen to and don't care about what anyone else thinks.

yeah dude alot of the new bands are giving metalcore a bad name. alot of them sound very emo when they sing the clean parts. however there are some great metalcore bands. just go by your own philosophy dude and listen to what u want. just be true bro!

Being an individual takes balls.

for sure man