What's with the Opeth backlash??

cookiecutter said:
The death vocals were nothing to write home about
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whoa. I never expected anyone to say that :s No one growls like him, it's extremely unique, and to me it sounds to much "clearer" than everyone else, and the tone of it is something i just adore. I thought it was pretty generally accepted that his growl is one of the best in metal.
 
Mumblefood said:
whoa. I never expected anyone to say that :s No one growls like him, it's extremely unique, and to me it sounds to much "clearer" than everyone else, and the tone of it is something i just adore. I thought it was pretty generally accepted that his growl is one of the best in metal.
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I agree it is clear. It is better than many, but I prefer Karl Willets if I want clear.

I guess I'm just wierd :erk:
 
cookiecutter said:
I just listened to Blackwater Park and to me it was extremely boring. I tried very hard to like it because Opeth are so hyped and my friend loves them, but I just didn't hear anything. Every single riff sounded exactly the same to me. The death vocals were nothing to write home about, and the vaunted clean parts seemed to just be inserted randomly and didn't really work for me.

What am I missing here?
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YOU LISTENED TO IT ONCE.

It all sounded the same when I bought my first Opeth album and I cast it aside for about a month when I later came back to it and I started liking it more and more as I repeated listens.

The music really diversifies but fits together better the more you listen.

Eventually, Opeth will consume you and you will find yourself in another dimension while entranced by their music. Its an enlightening experience.
 
The Greys said:
Probably because you think Hypocrisy is a good band. Your judgement on music is tarnished.
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I see no problem in liking both of those bands at once. Take me for example.

Hypocrisy in fact is closer to Opeth than most death (not prog) metal bands are if you take it into prospective. Hypocrisy, like Opeth, convey several emotions in their music, though much more aggressively. Hypocrisy has a few clean sung songs too, which puts them progressively higher than most death metal bands.

Hypocrisy has broken barriers, barrierz that Opeth has long existed beyond.
 
Zephyrus said:
Eventually, Opeth will consume you and you will find yourself in another dimension while entranced by their music. Its an enlightening experience.
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Or not. That's possible too, you know. I enjoyed Opeth for many years. Since "Morningrise" was released until "Damnation", I considered them to be one of my favourite melodic death metal bands. But then, as my musical horizen expanded, it dawned on me that Opeth aren't as brilliant as I originally thought. They aren't as subtle and enduring as many other bands. My guess is that you will discover this too, when you've listened to metal for a few more years.

Zephyrus said:
Hypocrisy has a few clean sung songs too, which puts them progressively higher than most death metal bands.
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Huh? That's kinda dumb... Why?

And also, Opeth has broken absolutely NO barriers. Name one.
 
Crimson Velvet said:
Or not. That's possible too, you know. I enjoyed Opeth for many years. Since "Morningrise" was released until "Damnation", I considered them to be one of my favourite melodic death metal bands. But then, as my musical horizen expanded, it dawned on me that Opeth aren't as brilliant as I originally thought. They aren't as subtle and enduring as many other bands. My guess is that you will discover this too, when you've listened to metal for a few more years.
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That's awfully elitist of you. Though it hasn't been 10 years for me as an Opeth fan, it has been about 7, and i still consider them one of the most unique and brilliant bands in metal. They aren't my favorite anymore, granted, but I haven't decided to turn on them and downplay their abilities. Besides, being "subtle" doesn't automatically make a band better, and i'm not even sure what you mean by enduring. Do you mean you can listen to other bands longer?

Of course there are "better" bands out there. But Opeth fills a niche all their own, and in that regard, they are the best at what they do. It's impossible to objecify just how good a band is anyway, and though it is easier to tell when the bands play similar styles, when they aren't doing the same thing and trying to achieve the same goals, it's rediculous to try and justify calling one better, unless you only mean you enjoy them more. And at that point, who cares? It no longer has to do with other people anyway :p

Crimson Velvet said:
And also, Opeth has broken absolutely NO barriers. Name one.
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That's not exactly an easily answerable question for ANY band, even ones you know for sure are cutting edge. Perhaps a better question is how bany bands do you know of who sound even remotely like Opeth over the last 10 years? I haven't heard anyone with the same flair for songwriting. There's that shitty April Ethereal band (with an album called Advent...) but they really just suck. Dark Suns is somewhat similar, but still way too different. In The Woods may have sounded a bit like the first 2 albums, but not near the dissonance.
 
Mumblefood said:
That's awfully elitist of you. Though it hasn't been 10 years for me as an Opeth fan, it has been about 7, and i still consider them one of the most unique and brilliant bands in metal. They aren't my favorite anymore, granted, but I haven't decided to turn on them and downplay their abilities. Besides, being "subtle" doesn't automatically make a band better, and i'm not even sure what you mean by enduring. Do you mean you can listen to other bands longer?
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That's pretty much what it means, yeah. And I was under the impression that a lot of "new" Opeth fans are into them for just that reason; that they think that Opeth are progressive, and thus have a lot of subtelty. If that is not your opinion, good for you!

And don't get me wrong, please, because I am still a fan of their first four albums. I've just come to realize that they are not as brilliant as I thought for a while. It started dawning on me when "Blackwater Park" was released, but I realized it completely by the time "Damnation" was on the shelves. Opeth is a decent band that used to be great, but now borders on terrible (Did that make sense?).

Mumblefood said:
Of course there are "better" bands out there. But Opeth fills a niche all their own, and in that regard, they are the best at what they do. It's impossible to objecify just how good a band is anyway, and though it is easier to tell when the bands play similar styles, when they aren't doing the same thing and trying to achieve the same goals, it's rediculous to try and justify calling one better, unless you only mean you enjoy them more. And at that point, who cares? It no longer has to do with other people anyway :p

That's not exactly an easily answerable question for ANY band, even ones you know for sure are cutting edge. Perhaps a better question is how bany bands do you know of who sound even remotely like Opeth over the last 10 years? I haven't heard anyone with the same flair for songwriting. There's that shitty April Ethereal band (with an album called Advent...) but they really just suck. Dark Suns is somewhat similar, but still way too different. In The Woods may have sounded a bit like the first 2 albums, but not near the dissonance.
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Well, I won't say that there are "better" bands out there, because that is completely subjective, so it would be arrogant of me to make that claim. But it would be a hundred times worse to say that there aren't, which a lot of people still seem to do. :erk:

And having a unique sound really isn't the same as breaking barriers, in my opinion. On "My Arms, Your Hearse", Opeth adapted a riffing style that, though far from completely original, was fresh and gave them a unique sound. But Agalloch also have a unique sound, but they haven't broken any barriers either. But by the time "Blackwater Park" was released, they really had ridden on that sound long enough, in my opinion.

But a band needn't break barriers to be good, though! That needs to be noted.
 
Crimson Velvet said:
And also, Opeth has broken absolutely NO barriers. Name one.
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Exacly. Opeth is an exceptional band but they didn't broke any barriers. I don't think there are any barriers to break for them.
 
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