About Progressive music...

[DoomsdayZach]

I went through a death metal phase. I still enjoy some DM here and there, especially more melodic bands but they've got to be something really special to keep my attention anymore.

 

[Kenneth R.]

I'd rather listen to consistent death metal than inconsistent, erratic prog. Ephel Duath might be an exception.

 

[razoredge]

I'd rather listen to consistent death metal than inconsistent, erratic prog. Ephel Duath might be an exception.

Inconsistent? ... erratic? ....... sounds progressive to me.....

seriously, thats why I like to switch around, even in my limited library I can get a break from everything. Naturally my library is the best music ever though........
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Zack = What are you into now ?

 

[proulxski]

haha, Ephel Duath...

 

[DoomsdayZach]

Razoredge: Since joining Skelator i've been way into traditional heavy metal and power metal that leans towards traditional a-la....
Maiden
Priest
Accept
Dio
Rainbow
Saxon
Sabbath/Heaven and Hell
Manowar
Heathen
Helloween
Iron Savior
Domine
Gamma Ray
And so on and so forth...

For lack of better terms, death metal feels so monochromatic most of the time. It can be really cool, but it's always limited. This, of course, doesn't apply to all death metal, but the stuff I mostly listened to and was into just got tiring. So it's back to the originators of metal and their close protige's... the stuff that is way better than any prog, death, black, etc. metal.

 

[razoredge]

I had a feeling that was going to be your answer....... welcome home man...... lol.... seriously old school has its merits, possibly due to the ruff edges and less influenced creative environment, before everyone was a musician and sterilized the natural flow. Just my opinion of course.

 

[DoomsdayZach]

Exactly. I am not so elitist that i can't appreciate new stuff... none of us are or else we wouldn't be here

Still, there's a genuine passion that can be heard in those old records. Even though they sound dated from a technical standpoint, the songwriting is still very fresh and just has that energy to it that only a select handful of bands can really accomplish for me today. That's what i envy most about the old school is that they've written songs that have held up literally for 3 decades and are still staples. That's way more fucking impressive to me than "who can write the most complex scale run and play it at 259bpm".

 

[razoredge]

pioneers, man, I envy the pioneers, both those from the early/mid 80's and early 70's, just cuttin it loose and going for it, "hey man what is that? ".... "I have no idea, but I like it"..... "sounds good... lets work on it" In my opinion some of the best music in rock & metals history came from these earlier voyagers. Technical, advanced and educated has its merits too but honestly I can almost always pick up the old influences.

 

[EyeballKid]

That's what i envy most about the old school is that they've written songs that have held up literally for 3 decades and are still staples. That's way more fucking impressive to me than "who can write the most complex scale run and play it at 259bpm".

My thoughts exactly. People should learn that metal is as much about writing a memorable song as it is about playing fast/heavy.

Zach, I'm glad to see so many Dio bands in your list!

 

[DoomsdayZach]

Me too!

 

[ABQShredHead]

Zach, you should check eBay for some of Dio's old stage props. If you could score one of those damned dragons, your shows would rule all lands as far as any eye could see.

 

[greenaxer]

I went through a death metal phase. I still enjoy some DM here and there, especially more melodic bands but they've got to be something really special to keep my attention anymore.

Same here, Zach. This is one reason why I love Opeth so much. It's like they mixed the perfect blend of death metal, melody, and just enough of a "prog" element to stay interesting and unique.

 

[Wander]

I don't know what genre it is, but Wintersun is unbelievably fucking awesome! And because I don't know what the genre is, I call it progressive so that this comment isn't off-topic.

 

[Iced Dog]

Wintersun IS cool, but someone needs to hire a witch to lift the curse of bad luck that has prevented Jari from releasing his sophomore album!

 

[Phanto]

It´s been the most difficult record to make in my life. The album is very huge, I don´t know if it´s gonna fit even in the 74 minutes of a CD. The track count is very high, about 200 tracks per song. So it´s almost like two albums in one (or three Slayer albums ). But I´m gonna finish this, no matter what.

Jari wrote that 10 months ago. God damn, I'll bake him a cake when he's finished with the album.

 

[Iced Dog]

I hope he realizes that CDs are 80 minutes in length

 

[Kenneth R.]

You can get nearly 80, but not exactly unless you overburn. I assume the 200 tracks is a EoS - Crimson I kind of deal.

 

[Wander]

Yeah, Jari has had and is having soooo bad financial problems. It makes me so angry when much worse metal bands can just go and live in a studio for a few months drinking beer and get a half-assed album done in the process while real musicians are trying to get their vision done with a home PC with only 2GB of RAM. That's what Jari has been trying to do, he says that it's just not enough. The computer can't handle all the tracks, orchestrations etc. He'd need a 7000$ Mac to do it properly.

 

[Anaon]

For me there is the classical old progressive music, born from King Crimson, Genesis, Yes, Gentle Giant, Van Der Graaf Generator, Camel and so many more, the golden age of the 70's.

And now, progressive music is not where we name it. The Flower Kings for example are not progressive in the way they're just doing a (fantastic) tribute to those old bands but where is creativity? Sure they are great musicians but it's not all.

Prog is not dead but for me it is elsewhere, bands which don't proclaim themselves progressive but somehow are, imho. I think about Oceansize (Frames is incredible, ambitious without being demonstrative), Sigur Ros, Pure Reason Revolution, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Pain of Salvation, still. This is new prog for me...

 

[Phanto]

Yeah, Jari has had and is having soooo bad financial problems. It makes me so angry when much worse metal bands can just go and live in a studio for a few months drinking beer and get a half-assed album done in the process while real musicians are trying to get their vision done with a home PC with only 2GB of RAM. That's what Jari has been trying to do, he says that it's just not enough. The computer can't handle all the tracks, orchestrations etc. He'd need a 7000$ Mac to do it properly.

Uh.. Yes.. or a better PC