John_C
formerly Skeksis268
what sort of person would want to go without medical insurance? There aren't many things more important really
...and America reformed health care.
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what sort of person would want to go without medical insurance? There aren't many things more important really
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
This line of thinking is absolutely retarded. If people don't have insurance, the government (AKA taxpayers) end up paying for the treatment they get that they don't pay for. Why wouldn't you want insurance to be mandatory if it saves you money and keeps everyone healthier in general?
Would you also like for car insurance not to be mandatory? Have fun getting your repair and medical bills paid for when you get hit by someone uninsured.
Not accurate - what's billed to the insurance company is more often than not way higher than would would be billed to an individual.
Skinny Viking
¯\(°_o)/¯ How do Lydian?
I'll be honest, I have no idea. I'm just saying that the itemized bill I received said that the end balance was roughly $85,000 but that I was responsible for $0 because it was picked up 100% by my insurance
So you're saying that if this bill had come direct to me for payment, it would have been quite a bit less than what they charged the insurance company right?
Well then I guess I see why a fucking roll of gauze was listed as like $12
John_C
formerly Skeksis268
It's so weird to think that they'd actually count the gauze and have it referenced to a patient. It just seems strange. Here they'd just have loads of gauze and it'd just get used as and when it's needed, for whoever needs it.
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
In many, many cases, this is exactly what happens. It's totally fucked up, but it happens. Hospitals know they can charge an insurance company way more than an individual, and they do it.
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EerieVon
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As a US citizen I see this as a good thing. One of the richest countries on the planet should provide health care to it's citizens. And as someone without insurance I would welcome it, because any of us without it are only a medical emergency away from bankruptcy. I am not certain of its exact structure, but I would like to see it along the lines of the system in the UK, Germany, etc--basic coverage then the paid alternative.
The only problem I see with it, and this problem has an impact on my other parts of our country, is the illegal aliens. I do not want to see the coverage extended to them, although they are either getting medicaid now or are using the ER's as a clinic and causing many of them severe financial distress (look at UMC of Southern Cali/Las Vegas for an example of this)
The only problem I see with it, and this problem has an impact on my other parts of our country, is the illegal aliens. I do not want to see the coverage extended to them, although they are either getting medicaid now or are using the ER's as a clinic and causing many of them severe financial distress (look at UMC of Southern Cali/Las Vegas for an example of this)
iekobrid
Authorized XSr Dealer
Last August I was browsing through some old, unlabeled VHS tapes and came across one from fall 1993 with a Connie Chung Evening News story about "The White House is trying to cram health care reform through Congress, while the Republicans are holding town hall meetings to complain that their ideas are better but nobody listens to them." immediately followed by an Inside Edition piece about Michael Jackson's doctors being quacks. The more things change...
Illegal immigrants don't get medicaid. By law the ER can't turn anyone away, so that's where many go.
EDIT: That being said.. children born in the US can then qualify.
schust
Member
i'll second this (or third, whatever...
)this is EXACTLY why reform was needed. the human element was taken out of the equation and for-profit businesses (insurance compaines) took over. a not so uncommon story, sadly, here in America. this is one situation that should not have, nor should ever again, happen. this is not something individuals of this country could have changed and exactly why our government needed to step in. they were the only ones that could have realistically affected change in this situation.
i for one applaud Obama for having the courage and resilience to take on this colossal issue. a fuck of a lot more than his predecessor would ever have had the courage to do.
I don't know about this. I've heard many stories about uninsured folks dying in ER rooms. I think you might be thinking of ambulances.
Trevoire520
Member
The whole not being denied for a pre-existing conditions / not being dropped for a new illness/accident is all good right? Surely we can all agree on that?
While by the looks of things this bill is nowhere near perfect, at least it's a start. The ball is rolling and you'll probably find changes to the healthcare system will come alot easier now. Rather than everyone promising reform and not giving it.
At the end of the day, no-one should have to die because they can't pay the bill. Period. That's just the definition of evil. Any step towards preventing that is a step forward.
While by the looks of things this bill is nowhere near perfect, at least it's a start. The ball is rolling and you'll probably find changes to the healthcare system will come alot easier now. Rather than everyone promising reform and not giving it.
At the end of the day, no-one should have to die because they can't pay the bill. Period. That's just the definition of evil. Any step towards preventing that is a step forward.
I love how my comment gets ignored and it's a big wrench in all of the things you guys are happy about...
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
Because your comment wasn't really clear at all, and in the end I just didn't care enough to think hard enough to figure out what you were trying to say. Your friend is reading it - great. You get 10k for what? in what form? Could it be that that's 10K in the form of tax credits to purchase your own health care? The actual government-run care program doesn't even start until 2012 or 2013, and they've hardly hammered out details like exactly how much they'll pay for your hospital bills.
Your point about making too much = not getting money from the government is retarded. If you make enough money, you should be buying your own health care to begin with, not relying on 'Obamacare.'
For everyone else, the grant process is fine - it's much like the waiting lists for operations in any other country with socialized medicine. You're evaluated on a need-based scale as to when you're gonna get service/how much will be paid for. And before you try to counter that a predictable "but nobody should have to wait/who's to judge who gets care and who doesn't" comment, you can't tell me that the same shit doesn't happen right now with private insurance companies.
Loren Littlejohn
Lover of all boobage.
+1.Just remember man, if you don't love Obama then you must be a racist or love Bush/Limbaugh/Beck. Got to love that argument.
Loren Littlejohn
Lover of all boobage.
Loren Littlejohn
Lover of all boobage.
Can you even make that little anymore? I'm almost 100% positive it is not possible to make that little in NY state anymore with a full time job.
Loren Littlejohn
Lover of all boobage.
Yep. Because the insurance company will not pay the full bill and negotiates the price down. So start high and end up where you want. It's totally fucked up. The only reason I know that is because I watched my car insurance do it. They payed $500 for what was supposed to be a $1200 ambulance ride. No idea how they did it, but that's how it went down.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/KnowYourRights/KnowYourEmergencyRoomRights.aspx
The ER, by law at least, has to treat you if you come in under emergency circumstances. That being said, if you simply have a cold they have every right to turn you away or refer you to another clinic.
A tactic often employed by hospitals is to make patients wait extended periods of time to get care, which deters people who don't have emergencies from coming. Unfortunately someone inevitably ends up dying every so often due to not getting care after they've been deemed healthy by nurses.
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