Any one here religious?

[El_Gato]

nononono

religion = illogical

people + religion = illogical behaviour

shit people + religion = illogical shit behaviour

There's nothing intrinsically "bad" about most religions, it's only when people start believing in them that stuff goes down the shitter.

yeyeyeye

so, in that (your) line of thought there's nothing bad in NationalSocialism (Nazis for those who ignore) but the shitty people who read it. OK, let's preach Mein Kampf at schools (AS MOST religions DO with their texts) and say it's not dangerous.

 

[SocialNumb]

Well, say someone I love dies in a car accident while the person in question saved the whole world by stopping some evil dude from dividing by zero. The last thing that would ever occur to me is to wear a chain or what have you with a mangled car, their head hanging out the window and a limb out the other.

Just saying . . . What kind of barbaric shit is this?

 

[TravisW]

Some facts about Ra in the Egyptian Book of the Dead,

His mother was a woman called Meri
His father was called Jo-Sep
His father was of royal descent
His birth was heralded by a star
His birth was witnessed by Shepherds
King Herut tried to have him killed
He was 30 when baptized
His baptizer went on to be beheaded
He was followed by 12 disciples
He walked on water and healed the sick
He gave a 'sermon on the mount'
He was crucified
...between 2 thieves
He was buried in a tomb
He was resurrected after 3 days

Where did you find this? I've seen the same things attributed to Osiris and Horus in various other corners of the internet, as well as similar lists attributed to Mithra and Mithras. I've never seen anything remotely scholarly that backs them up, though.

 

[madbutcher]

Where did you find this? I've seen the same things attributed to Osiris and Horus in various other corners of the internet, as well as similar lists attributed to Mithra and Mithras. I've never seen anything remotely scholarly that backs them up, though.

I'm can't say for sure where, but from the looks of it, someone watched the first part of "Zeitgeist"

 

[Notuern]

I'm can't say for sure where, but from the looks of it, someone watched the first part of "Zeitgeist"

Which is ~99,9% bullshit made up by some insane conspiracy theorist.

 

[coldthrn]

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/ebod/

Haven't seen Zeitgeist, maybe I should? Do you want me to cross reference and give page numbers? This may take a while to do . Also one thing to mention here about the RA story is the Rosetta Stone was discovered and the Egyptian book of the dead was decrypted way after Yeshua's time 1799 AD to be exact, so the interpretation may have been influenced from the beginning.

Here is a guide by Christians. It mentions nothing of Ra but Horus.

 

[John_C]

yeyeyeye

so, in that (your) line of thought there's nothing bad in NationalSocialism (Nazis for those who ignore) but the shitty people who read it. OK, let's preach Mein Kampf at schools (AS MOST religions DO with their texts) and say it's not dangerous.

urmm, no. The Nazi ideology contains intrinsic "evil" ideas, the overall concept of religion does not.

Nazi ideology = evil and illogical
people + nazi ideology = evil illogical actions
shit people + nazi ideology = great senseless atrocities

Not comparable to religion in general, or in indeed specifically

 

[El_Gato]

urmm, no. The Nazi ideology contains intrinsic "evil" ideas, the overall concept of religion does not.

No? It justifies:

-murder
-Racism
-Discrimination
-sexism
-slavery
-child abuse
-rape
-intolerance
-genital mutilation


restricts:

-sexual freedom
-scientific/medical/social progress
-freedom of choice
-free thought
-contraceptives
-women's rights


and a large etc.

Even if you're not talking about religion in general, the bible shows maaany of these.

 

[John_C]

No? It justifies:

-murder
-Racism
-Discrimination
-sexism
-slavery
-child abuse
-rape
-intolerance
-genital mutilation


restricts:

-sexual freedom
-scientific/medical/social progress
-freedom of choice
-free thought
-contraceptives
-women's rights


and a large etc.

Even if you're not talking about religion in general, the bible shows maaany of these.

Seriously, when i say the overall concept of religion, i mean the overall concept of religion

The overall concept of religion does not contain any of the doctrines of specific religions.
If you take my original statement and replace "religion" with "entirely general belief in some form of single God" then maybe you'll get the right idea

 

[El_Gato]

Seriously, when i say the overall concept of religion, i mean the overall concept of religion

The overall concept of religion does not contain any of the doctrines of specific religions.
If you take my original statement and replace "religion" with "entirely general belief in some form of single God" then maybe you'll get the right idea

this is what religous people use to do (IDK if you're BTW) take the part they want. I know the definition of Religion, and that's not all. I say again, don't take the part you want and leave the rest. the definition of religion is much wider and not only that. I was quoted by you when I was CLEARLY talking about the organized forms of religions. don't put words in my mouth I didnt say.

I said before that you can't call yourself a religious one and not practicing any religion. So you can't be a christian and not following some of the different versions of it (orthodox, protestant...).

I can understand "spiritual" people if they believe in some kind of gods but not religions.

I can't understand a religious person that doesn't follow a religion. But thats not the point, I was talking about Organized religions.




the problem is what these beliefs lead us to. religion (in the organized way) is clearly evil, fear-based and chauvinist. I don't care if some hippies go to the mountains and have a lifetime orgy to please thier gods.

 

[El_Gato]

nononono

religion = illogical

people + religion = illogical behaviour

shit people + religion = illogical shit behaviour

There's nothing intrinsically "bad" about most religions, it's only when people start believing in them that stuff goes down the shitter.

and I quote again not to misunderstand, it seems you actually WERE talking about organized religions. correct me if I'm wrong

 

[SocialNumb]

Which is ~99,9% bullshit made up by some insane conspiracy theorist.

Speaking of, I saw Kymatica today.

What a head trip

 

[John_C]

and I quote again not to misunderstand, it seems you actually WERE talking about organized religions. correct me if I'm wrong

sorry, yeah as you can probably tell i was sure i'd said religion in general there, my bad.

However, i still hold that if interpreted in a sensible way, even the mainstream current religions can be a force for good. Unfortunately, people aren't sensible so they are so often a force for bad, so if i had the choice they would all be scrapped and everyone would have to work out their own beliefs for themselves.

 

[drew_drummer]

The overall concept of religion is social control.

 

[El_Gato]

However, i still hold that if interpreted in a sensible way, even the mainstream current religions can be a force for good. Unfortunately, people aren't sensible so they are so often a force for bad, so if i had the choice they would all be scrapped and everyone would have to work out their own beliefs for themselves.

true, only look at the fundamentalists. they're the most dangerous ones cause they want religion to control every aspect of society/politics.








If religion would care only about the spiritual side of life, everything would be so much better. the problem is that

RELIGIONS (including catholic) WERE CREATED TO CONTROL THE MASSES, TAKE THE MONEY AND CREATE PREJUDICES.

 

[SocialNumb]

I think todays group think is responsible.

That longing humans have, the feeling that they're all alone on a spec's ass of the universe. I think people find "happiness" in the strangest of places. I got a whacky one myself.
To be honest, I lack these feelings/emotions to an extent. I love to come here and chat with you all but I feel no need to actually "hang out". That's not to say I wouldn't!
I LOVE being by myself, it's one of my greatest passions. It's that time when I let go and just be.

 

[El_Gato]

“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”

Seneca (Roman philosopher, mid-1st century AD)

 

[paladin shredder]

damn it, now you're testing my memor too hard!!! I'm actually pretty sure we aren't meant to be wearing "icons" of Jesus and yet people do!! Excuse my lack of resource but I can't for the life of me remember where!!!

2nd comandment.

 

[sandra-]

Reading this thread..... at least the christians and atheists have something in common.... they both interpret the bible wrong.

By the way Christians. What is with the obsession with Jesus's death device? Imagine Jesus comes back and what does he see? Everyones that "loves" him is wearing a cross. If I was him I'd be thinking "What a bunch of assholes!"

Imagine Jesus would have been hanged. All the christians would wear a hangman's knot on their necks.

 

[paladin shredder]

Reading this thread..... at least the christians and atheists have something in common.... they both interpret the bible wrong.

hahaha, explain how someone can interpret the bible correctly?