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Of One Man's Sanity
You are delusional, get over it.Alternative 3 said:I dont like athiests, I don't see how you can belive in nothing.
You are delusional, get over it.Alternative 3 said:I dont like athiests, I don't see how you can belive in nothing.
Alternative 3 said:Ill use an example. I have a statue of the Egyptian Goddess Bastet in my room, she is a the cat godess. I have her there to protect my cats. The positive energy I use in believing in a power higher than me in turn makes the cats feel safe and at home. Having something to believe in gives my feelings towards a god or creator a home. You cant define feelings with reason.
Well, isn't that cute. You believe because you want to, that is why there is a war in Iraq. Just because your childlike mind and fragile ego cannot handle the fact that there is nothing and there is no meaning and death is final doesn't mean there is a God or Gods or godesses or what ever bullshit you believe because you want to so desperately have something to cling on to when you cry. Do you feel my negative energy flowing your way? Is it tangible?Alternative 3 said:There is a point its my energy of feelings in a tangible (right word?) form.
EDIT: I believe in a higher form because I want to, just like I want to go and eat my tea.
musicnerd said:I think its interesting that there's so many opinions about whether or not opeth are satanic. Especially those who are seemingly most familiar with their music. I, being a christian, steer clear of music that is satanic/evil/glorifies violence/etc. I just choose not to listen to that stuff. Opeth, however, does not fit that category. While Mikael's lyrics are dark, I think they're also intelligent. And I'd be preaching to the choir if I said how talented they are. To clarify, Opeth are not satanic. Mikael may make tongue-in-cheek comments about the devil in concert just to get a rise out of people. But that's about it.
drowssap said:*sigh* the more things change....
Trey Parker said:just because all of that evolution stuff happened, it DOESN'T MEAN there's not a god, right?
Rekkr said:Now, if you don't believe in a god from a religious perspective, "God" is still impossible. For a god to exist before the universe (and then create it), he would have to be infinitely more detailed and complicated than our universe.
Trey Parker said:LOL nice pun with "Devil's advocate" <g>
but i could've easily listed more examples which show that there is no god (such as Oinkness existing), but i'd rather go with a quick one-hitter
my definitions are based on the roots of the word ("a" meaning against or not) and are literal. the above definitions are pretty good and i dont see how they contradict what i came up with. agnostic as "not knowing" or "unknowing" is pretty much the same as what you posted.Metalloid said:I don't know about your definitions there...
Taken from American Heritage College Dictionary:
an agnostic is "One who believes that there is no proof of the existence of God but does not deny the possibility that God exists."
and atheism is the "Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods."
Both definitions include belief, not certainty. Just as a Christian can believe in God, an atheist can choose not to believe in God.
dorian gray said:No offense, but most of you athiests don't do shit. How much money did you give away to charities this past year? None? Sounds about right
The topic: like I said, Satanism isn't real. There's no documentation, no history, no verifiable church, and no artifacts.
this is flawed. you are reasoning this on the basis that human logic is perfectly sound, and any concept that contradicts it is therefore false. incorrect. as you stated yourself, the infinitesimally improbable will happen. you believe it is infinitesimally improbable that God exists. you therefore acknoweldge in time if he does not exist, he will.Rekkr: Now, if you don't believe in a god from a religious perspective, "God" is still impossible. For a god to exist before the universe (and then create it), he would have to be infinitely more detailed and complicated than our universe. It is much more logical to believe our universe always was than to believe a god always was.
And remember, in an infinite amount of time, the infinitesimally improbable will happen an infinite number of times.
i agree with all of this. i don't believe in running around trying to convert people. if they want to know what christianity is about, i will be glad to explain what i know. but i won't go running around forcing it on people because that's not effective at all, it won't help them and it won't help me. running around forcing or coercing people into blind believers is a waste of time...dorian gray said:meh, i dont see what's "wrong" with believing in Jesus. Let's face it, Christians do alot of good shit in the world. No offense, but most of you athiests don't do shit. How much money did you give away to charities this past year? None? Sounds about right. So, it's not really appropriate to bash on people like Kenneth who believe. The beef I have with Christianity is when they go on missions trips in order to change "underdeveloped" cultures and turn them into "believers", stripping away all that was pure and natural to them. Which, by the way, was pretty much what the Chrisitans did up until the 1900s when there wasn't anybody left to manipulate. The other problem is when Christians lobby to get religious ideals, like creationism, taught in tax-funded public schools.
Arguing for or against God is pretty fruitless because the super-natural is exactly that - not within the realm of natural law and thus, not open to verifiability. However, it *is* scientifically correct to study "proof" documents and historical artifacts. For example, the New Tesatament is all about Jesus. Yet, he is mentioned *twice*, dubiously, in contemporary records. So, one would question why a man who was God Incarnate would only be mentioned twice, in passing, in other documents of the same time.
@umdebaba: you forgot the problem with omnibenevolence.
The topic: like I said, Satanism isn't real. There's no documentation, no history, no verifiable church, and no artifacts. "Satanic" bands were labelled as such by ignorant Christians and it turned into a gimmick. It's childish.
R0l0 said:I doubt many christians give money away to charities either. Paying dues to your local church(so that you can go to heaven) doesn't count. Singling out atheists for being greedy is bullshit, people are subject to being greedy regardless of their beliefs.
Belief in a pre-Christian concept of Satan that is more of a force than a deity, and embodies virility, sexuality, and sensuality.
Emphasis is placed on individuality, and that one should explore their lusts and desires instead of trying to suppress them. Indulging in this life instead of preparing for an afterlife. Wisdom instead of self-deceit. Human life is sacred, else how can someone enjoy theirs?
Unrelated to the Christian concept of Satan.
One thing the above nodes failed to mention, is aside from Satanists believing in indulgence rather than abstinence etc., that they too want to return Humanity to its primal form. In the more extreme forms of Satanism, it is believed that Humanity should be running through the trees naked, foraging for food, grunting, fighting over women, living life as they see fit with purely primal instincts; rather than living in an ordered life with laws, a religions trying to shove their propaganda down your throat. In other words, the Satanist wishes for chaos to consume the world and order to be thrown to the wind, and in so doing, returning Humanity to primal instincts.
The tenets of LaVeyan Satanism. Written by Anton Szandor LaVey in 1967.
1. Do not give opinion or advice unless you are asked.
2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
3. When in another's lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
9. Do not harm little children.
10. Do not kill non-human animals unless attacked or for your food.
11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
Source: http://www.churchofsatan.com/Pages/Eleven.html