are any guys of opeth satanists?

[Sanzen]

Prove God wrong? Ok.
To be God you must be omniscient and omnipotent. If you are not, you are not God just a guy with magical powers. Being omniscient prevents you from making a decision because your omniscience would tell you your decision you would come to anyway, therefore your true decision has already been made and cannot be changed. If you changed it you were not truly omniscient. You should be able to change your decision because of your omnipotence but that would be at the consequence of your omniscience. Therefore omnipotence and omniscience cannot co-exist. And if God is lacking one of those qualities he is not God, therefore God cannot exist.

I still want to see someone refute this.

 

[umdebaba]

Ill use an example. I have a statue of the Egyptian Goddess Bastet in my room, she is a the cat godess. I have her there to protect my cats. The positive energy I use in believing in a power higher than me in turn makes the cats feel safe and at home. Having something to believe in gives my feelings towards a god or creator a home. You cant define feelings with reason.

I don't know what I would say, Id have to think it over for a while, I didnt jsut wake up one day and belive in god haha.

Back on topic a little, I read the Satanic bible, communism and fascism are oposites but they are so oposite they become elements in the same, this is the conclusion I came to about Satanism.

Your statue does nothing to change the feelings of the cats dude.... Of course you didn't wake up one day and believed in God. You were probably baby fed it since childhood. Feelings do not prove anything. The sensation of an imminent shit feels like shit to me but even if you think it is God running through your body, it still does not prove it. Proving things with feelings is a fallacy.

 

[umdebaba]

I have a statue of the Egyptian Goddess Bastet in my room, she is a the cat godess. I have her there to protect my cats. The positive energy I use in believing in a power higher than me in turn makes the cats feel safe and at home.

So then there is no point to the statue, considering your energy towards a higher power is what makes your cats feel safe and not the statue.....

 

[Arnold Layne]

There is a point its my energy of feelings in a tangible (right word?) form.

EDIT: I believe in a higher form because I want to, just like I want to go and eat my tea.

 

[Shadows Skulk]

blah blah we're idiots

I declare thee owned

 

[umdebaba]

Feels are only relevant to the individual. Your feelings affect no one but you and if you believe in a higher form just because you want to that is not very logical. It is more than just drinking tea, it affects your life, views, entertainment, and many other things. It is not just as easy as drinking tea.

 

[umdebaba]

I declare thee owned

 

[NeverIsForever]

^Three cheers for...randomness?

Someone mentioned von Däniken earlier, he is a crackpot IMO but an interesting read nonetheless

 

[Kenneth R.]

actually, you're wrong. maybe there are some fine details of the evolution theory that still need to be worked out, but the basic fact that evolution happened is irrefutable. ever heard of a fossil? a peppered moth?

yes, way back in grade school. most everyone knows of these things. they don't prove evolution.

 

[Kenneth R.]

Prove God wrong? Ok.
To be God you must be omniscient and omnipotent. If you are not, you are not God just a guy with magical powers. Being omniscient prevents you from making a decision because your omniscience would tell you your decision you would come to anyway, therefore your true decision has already been made and cannot be changed. If you changed it you were not truly omniscient. You should be able to change your decision because of your omnipotence but that would be at the consequence of your omniscience. Therefore omnipotence and omniscience cannot co-exist. And if God is lacking one of those qualities he is not God, therefore God cannot exist.

human reasoning and juxtaposition, paradoxes... all you've "proven" is that by such given logic such a thing cannot be. however, by alternate logic, it can. it's simply incomprehensible to us.

edit: to further clarify: since you all seem to loooooove science---

by classical physics, many of the things we know can be explained. however, these things become paradoxes and "impossible" at the subatomic level. at this point, quantum physics (an alternate set of "logic") is necessary to explain reality.

 

[the_drip]

oh fuck. YOu mean there are creationists on the OPeth board?


Fuck..there is no hope. Time to start shopping for cyanide on Ebay.

 

[Jon Snow]

You know there is a fish in the amazon that crawls up and lodges itself in animal's and human's urethras? It's all part of God's plan.

Anyways, I can see this discussion getting extremely ugly very soon. I don't think this is the right place for it. If you want to have these conversations exchange AIM screennames or email addresses or go to the forum at www.infidels.org and get owned hardcore.

 

[Goober]

Holy crap, this thread went from whether or not opeth are satanists to Amazonian fish that crawl up peoples dicks, thats kinda creepy.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

I declare thee owned

hahaha, i find your quote hilarious, not necessarily just because i side with you. whoever it was (kenneth?) who suggested we take it to the philosophy forum, i concur. you guys should all go check that out if you're interested in intelligent debate.

 

[OpethNZ]

. It is more than just drinking tea.

Its funny, because being a New Zealander i think im the only one who noticed/recognised Alternative 3 meant dinner when he said tea...and of course opeth are satanists how fucking evil is a pink orchid!?

 

[Arnold Layne]

Haha I wondered what the fuck they were on about drinking tea. Von Daniken's books are good, he goes a little far in detail sometimes to prove he his right, but id really like to believe what he says but can't. My feelings on aalternate life are probably stronger than my feelings about god.

I brought a shirt with an Orchid on it the other day, Im fuckin metal.

 

[fuscous]

If he were serious I would not listen to any of their shit.

Haha youre mad.

 

[Kenneth R.]

yeah it was me who said go take it to the philosophy forum...

and no fish will be allowed up my dick.

 

[Jon Snow]

An Orchid is indeed an incredibly evil thing. I concur. Also, the order of release for Deliverance and Damnation is also significant. Damnation would have been followed by their "Deliverance" if they were not satanists.

 

[Cutter]

Why??? I don't understand people who do this. Just because you listen to music that has some sort of message doesn't mean that you believe in everything they say. It's just about the music and the way it sounds.. not the fuckin message

I once read it said that bands who use messages in their music, especially political ones, to cover up the fact that they are shit musically. Can you think of any bands or songs that have a message but are actually any good?