Christian Metal

[Thoth-Amon]

A personal faith that was brought to the people through the New Testament. Neurotica makes as much sense as someone who believes in Bilbo Baggins but denies The Lord of the Rings as a whole.

My point exactly.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

Why? What do you believe? If you know a way that's better, please enlighten us.

How about any of these reasonable alternatives that have not been proven wrong via science, history, etc.
1. Deism
2. Agnosticism
3. "I have no idea".

 

[CF87]

Religous arguements are so worm & tired so believe what you want and shut the fuck up.

really

 

[Under The Oak]

Yes but millions have "faith" that the Angel Gabriel spoke to Muhammed God's Word and that Word is the Koran. So just because you "feel in your heart that it's true" it doesn't mean it is.
Yes I have seen that website before and actually I believe that Jesus of Nazareth was in fact a real person. My point is that we have no actual proof of what he said or did. The earliest evidence we have of him is the New Testament and if you can't believe that then how can you possibly believe anything about him?

That's why Christianity is a religion and not indisputable fact. But when you think about it, who else in that era do we know much about? Is there any reason why we should have tons of evidence for a carpenter who was crucified and didn't even have much of a following until decades after his death? Just because there isn't an overwhelming amount of evidence for divinity (when is there ever in the case of supernatural claims?), that doesn't mean it's any more or less true. If there was good evidence or concrete facts that there was a God and Jesus was the messiah, then there'd be no use for faith and the world would be a very boring place, in my opinion.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Thank you, Greys.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

Religous arguements are so worm & tired so believe what you want and shut the fuck up.

really

That's exactly the point. Should you allow those crazy ass Muslims to believe whatever they want? Even though they believe that God wants them to kill "infidels"? Of course not. It's not skeptics, agnostics and deists that are causing all of these deaths over religion. It's believers. Now of course I would never insinuate that any Christians on this board would ever do anything horrible like that. My point was simply that debating over the validity of a religion is of paramount importance. Of course I really don't care if Taylor C or Neurotica continue to believe what they do. Good for them. But it does make interesting conversation to debate these things.

 

[~Neurotica]

Heck I believe in God too (though I certainly have my doubts from time to time) But I reject belief in the Judeo-Christian God because his supposedly divinely inspired Word and Prophets are full of historical/scientific errors, false prophecies, forgeries, contraditions, absurdities, attrocities ordained by God, etc. In other words it is such an obviously human and thoroughly flawed book that there is no way I can believe that it divinely inspired or true.

Yes. There are really many contradictions. Well, I dont know then. I understand your point. About the religion name. I used to think Im orthodox\pretestant. Now lets say - God exists for me, details - doesnt matter. I just leave all that stuff and characterystics as a good reason to learn cultures.

 

[~Neurotica]

Religous arguements are so worm & tired so believe what you want and shut the fuck up.

really

Thats actually what I was trying to say with my first post, that has started all this shit.

 

[PanzerKunt]

Why? What do you believe? If you know a way that's better, please enlighten us.

I believe that christianity is no more right than all the other Deity based give-your-money-to-us-and-you'll-go-to-heaven-or-wherever-and-everything-will-be-awesome religions plagueing the surface of this planet. It's obvious that they were all made up for one reason or another and eventually turned into what I just described because humans have that skill of making wealth off others, and what's better than using fear of eternal worst case scenario damnation in a pit where a mean guy beats whups your ass all day long?

Higher force or not, the Bible does not portray this the right way.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

That's why Christianity is a religion and not indisputable fact. But when you think about it, who else in that era do we know much about? Is there any reason why we should have tons of evidence for a carpenter who was crucified and didn't even have much of a following until decades after his death? Just because there isn't an overwhelming amount of evidence for divinity (when is there ever in the case of supernatural claims?), that doesn't mean it's any more or less true. If there was good evidence or concrete facts that there was a God and Jesus was the messiah, then there'd be no use for faith and the world would be a very boring place, in my opinion.

Fine. But my point is that the only "evidence" we have is clearly flawed and untrustworthy. So what reason do you have to believe it at all? And furthermore if you are just supposed to trust and believe something then how can you expect people brought up in other religions who simply trust and believe in something to become Christians? According to the Bible these people are going to fry in hell. Why? Because well they just happened to trust and believe in the wrong thing. And you got lucky becuase you just happened to trust and believe in the right thing. It's such baloney. Give some valid reasons and some compelling evidence that Christianity is true or ditch it.

 

[PanzerKunt]

How about any of these reasonable alternatives that have not been proven wrong via science, history, etc.
1. Deism
2. Agnosticism
3. "I have no idea".

You forgot #4: "I dont give a fuck"

 

[Thoth-Amon]

Yes. There are really many contradictions. Well, I dont know then. I understand your point. About the religion name. I used to think Im orthodox\pretestant. Now lets say - God exists for me, details - doesnt matter. I just leave all that stuff and characterystics as a good reason to learn cultures.

OK.

 

[Ender Rises]

I'm not in religion history that much, really. I'm with Orthodox ideas basicly. But not churches and other stuff. At least not anymore, after I've seen what its all about. If its not organized about me - let it be. God is in my mind and in my heart (I know it sounds gay, but I dont know other words to tell it), and no mediators.

out of five
Churches exist for two reasons. One is to substatiate and support the beliefs of those who are weak in thier faith. The other is to take advantage of those people. Those who believe that the holiest place on earth is the heart and that God is with you no matter where you are don't need churches.

[/Religious ramblings for the day]

 

[CF87]

I hope you all get bird flue!

 

[King Richard]

Thoth Amon is a smart motherfucker.

 

[~Neurotica]

out of five
Churches exist for two reasons. One is to substatiate and support the beliefs of those who are weak in thier faith. The other is to take advantage of those people. Those who believe that the holiest place on earth is the heart and that God is with you no matter where you are don't need churches.

[/Religious ramblings for the day]

Shit... why only 3, ender!?

 

[CF87]

You are all dying.

 

[Thoth-Amon]

Thoth Amon is a smart motherfucker.

Thank you sir.

 

[~Neurotica]

Thoth Amon is a smart motherfucker.

He is.

 

[PanzerKunt]

Shit... why only 3, ender!?

Probably because of all the things you said.


...all the things you said running through my head running through my head. :|