Controversial opinions on metal

[Dazed and Brutal]

Black metal doesn't have the breadth of ideas that thrash does to justify the non-classics.

Wow this is about the most false thing ever. Thrash Metal ranges from sloppy to technical and that's about it.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Thrash Metal ranges from sloppy to technical and that's about it.

At least you're guaranteed riffs whereas with black metal, it's a gamble as to whether you're going to get some actual composition (Wampyrinacht) or masturbatory atmospherics that ultimately go nowhere (Mgla).

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

At least you're guaranteed riffs whereas with black metal, it's a gamble as to whether you're going to get some actual composition (Wampyrinacht) or masturbatory atmospherics that ultimately go nowhere (Mgla).

I agree. I don't exactly enjoy the infinite permutations of black metal there are, but there's no denying that the spectrum between someone like Ildjarn and shit like Liturgy (not that i'm championing them or anything) is much greater than Metallica to Vektor. Honestly I view modern Thrash metal much like I like I view Punk. The formula is timeless enough that it doesn't need to be tweaked too much to still deliver. Griping that either hasn't changed much over the years misses the point entirely. However, claiming that thrash has more "breadth" is patently absurd.

edit: I could be conflating "breadth" with diversity of sound. If so, my bad. Most of my favorite bands straddle the line between BM and thrash anyway. Like I don't think Hellhammer was calling themselves BM nor were Sodom.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Thrash Metal ranges from sloppy to technical and that's about it.

And where exactly does black metal fall in that range? Exclusively the sloppy" side? Most black metal musicians sound like amateurs as far as the instrumentation goes tbh. And that definitely cannot be said for thrash, death, trad etc.

most thrash(modern or old school) musicians will play circles around black metal musicians, that is just a plain fact

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

And where exactly does black metal fall in that range? Exclusively the sloppy" side? Most black metal musicians sound like amateurs as far as the instrumentation goes tbh. And that definitely cannot be said for thrash, death, trad etc.

most thrash musicians will play circles around black metal musicians, that is just a plain fact

I mean this is a gross generalize on both of our parts. I would agree that the baseline Thrash musician could play circles around the baseline BM player, but that's a null point to me regardless. I can confidently say the dudes in Deathspell Omega could practically anything you threw their way. Either way, I'm talking more so from a purely aesthetic standpoint. Black metal has been decidedly repurposed to suit a lot more ideas than thrash has ever done.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I can confidently say the dudes in Deathspell Omega could practically anything you threw their way. Either way, I'm talking more so from a purely aesthetic standpoint. Black metal has been decidedly repurposed to suit a lot more ideas than thrash has ever done.

I disagree with everything here, especially the bolded. But Deathspell Omega rules

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

I disagree with everything here, especially the bolded. But Deathspell Omega rules

lol I mean I'm taking some liberties with the DsO remark, but can you elaborate on how Thrash metal has been more aesthetically diverse than BM?

 

[The Ozzman]

Hvis Lyset Tar Oss is the worst Burzum album (of the black metal stuff)

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

aesthetics =/= what they actually play. nothing about black metal is diverse to me, even in the slightest.

 

[rms]

I listened to that power Trip album in the 2017 thread and that warbringer and reminded myself why thrash is probably the worst sub genre today.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

I listened to that power Trip album in the 2017 thread and that warbringer and reminded myself why thrash is probably the worst sub genre today.

Bestial Invasion, Vexovoid, Droid and Condor all released better albums this year so all you're doing is taking mediocre thrash metal albums and making them representative of the whole subgenre's output for this year.

 

[EspaDa]

new Power Trip is great, dont talk shit

 

[EspaDa]

Hvis Lyset Tar Oss is the worst Burzum album (of the black metal stuff)

Holy fuck Ozz...And I've just sent you a postcard...What a heresy bro

 

[The Ozzman]

Lol at Power Trip being mediocre thrash

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

power trip is indeed medicore thrash. literally the definiton of it.

But Woe to the Vanquished being mediocre? lmfao. Anyone with that opinion needs to turn in their thrash card in and leave the room. And no ozz, you never had a thrash card to being with.

 

[rms]

If you fine gentlemen have the time and interest throw up 5 or so top tier modern thrash albums here or in the thrash thread. Warbringer has sold out so hard I don't get your position on them

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Warbringer has sold out so hard I don't get your position on them

Lolwut? Please explain, i'd love to hear this.

I guess when you sell out you become less popular and your albums get less hype and exposure, 'mirite?

And what kind of thrash are you looking for? You dislike Vektor from what i remember, no?

 

[The Ozzman]

power trip is indeed medicore thrash. literally the definiton of it.

Pretty sure you meant The Gathering there

 

[rms]

Lolwut? Please explain, i'd love to hear this.

I guess when you sell out you become less popular and your albums get less hype and exposure, 'mirite?

And what kind of thrash are you looking for? You dislike Vektor from what i remember, no?

Nah, black future is my number two behind hellish crossfire.

Wasn't their latest on nuclear blast? Did that label die or something?

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Wasn't their latest on nuclear blast? Did that label die or something?

Terminal Redux was on Earache.