Controversial opinions on metal

Based on the one Suicide Silence song that was posted in some other thread yesterday or the day before, they're better than Drudkh.
 
No more so than anyone that posts "lol deathcore" on a routine basis. It's all false metal anyways, but take away the breakdowns and that Suicide Silence song has something going for it. Prefixed black metal is nothing but a lie.
 
The Ozzman said:
itt we forget that 'good vs bad' is a subjective argument.
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Itt we somehow forget saying suicide silence is better than drudkh is blatantly inflammatory posting towards a lot of people on this forum. Hbb doesn't like suicide silence and is just being a shitty poster on an anti untrue black metal tirade for a while now. (Probably based on all the backlash he's received from the bizarre sexual things he's posted in the recent past)
 
lol, I've shit on Drudkh for years now. I don't remember receiving much backlash about anything sexual I've posted here either; Nephilim96 clearly tried to use that but it wasn't very well executed. It's more a consequence of the black metal status quo on this forum being upset over that worst sub-genre poll and the hilarious victim complex demonstrated in this thread, and considering how some of you take the image more seriously than the music, it's not surprising that some of you are particularly sensitive to anything derisive towards it.
 
What victim complex? Outside of the Limbonic Art guy, nobody's really cared about that pole.

No, Krow is right, you're upset that I said you liked penises. I mean, either it's that, or you're just flaming for no reason, which would make no sense. Just give it up. If you didn't want the grief, you never should have said that stuff.
 
The Ozzman said:
itt we forget that 'good vs bad' is a subjective argument.
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Well allow me to kindly and non belligerently play devil's advocate here, but the notion of musical taste being subjective and arbitrary is in and of itself a subjective observation as well, which makes that statement conjectural.....kind of. Your opinion that it's just someone's opinion is just well......your opinion. Not all opinions are created equally, some are better than others. I will grant you however that the opinions ITT are sometimes poorly formulated though.
 
Kara-Shehr said:
Well allow me to kindly and non belligerently play devil's advocate here, but the notion of musical taste being subjective and arbitrary is in and of itself a subjective observation as well, which makes that statement conjectural.....kind of. Your opinion that it's just someone's opinion is just well......your opinion. Not all opinions are created equally, some are better than others. I will grant you however that the opinions ITT are sometimes poorly formulated though.
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How does one evaluate which opinions are better than others? I guess you could make an appeal to experts in music theory since they have a technical and more nuanced understanding than the rest of us. Of course, even music theorists don't like all the same music, so perhaps an appeal to experts is just begging the question.

Of course usually when people say "not all opinions are equal" they're really just saying "people who have a similar aesthetic to myself are superior to people who have a different aesthetic than myself."
 
Severed Survival is a dull, lifeless album.

It's consistently rated a classic of the DM genre, so I blind bought it years back. Have listened numerous times and nothing grabs me at all.
 
Inso said:
Severed Survival is a dull, lifeless album.

It's consistently rated a classic of the DM genre, so I blind bought it years back. Have listened numerous times and nothing grabs me at all.
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I agree really boring and nothing about it compares to the other DM bands of the early period. The production is also quite terrible.
 
crimsonfloyd said:
How does one evaluate which opinions are better than others? I guess you could make an appeal to experts in music theory since they have a technical and more nuanced understanding than the rest of us. Of course, even music theorists don't like all the same music, so perhaps an appeal to experts is just begging the question.

Of course usually when people say "not all opinions are equal" they're really just saying "people who have a similar aesthetic to myself are superior to people who have a different aesthetic than myself."
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Yes I realize I refuted my own argument with the sentence you highlighted but I still feel misunderstood. I wasn't suggesting people should simply surrender their stance due to the opposing side having a perceived greater ethos. I was implying that the guy who says X or Y band sucks because they're gay or something like that is less merited than the guy who says X or Y band sucks because their music lacks variation or what have you.


The whole "well that's just like your opinion man" thing just annoys me because it's ultimately a meaningless statement that doesn't actually have any sort of practical usage in any sort of argument/debate and doesn't accomplish anything. It also always leads to an endless loop and can't be applied to any sort of linear thought pattern.

edit: and Severed Survival rocks balls btw
 
Kara-Shehr said:
Yes I realize I refuted my own argument with the sentence you highlighted but I still feel misunderstood. I wasn't suggesting people should simply surrender their stance due to the opposing side having a perceived greater ethos. I was implying that the guy who says X or Y band sucks because they're gay or something like that is less merited than the guy who says X or Y band sucks because their music lacks variation or what have you.
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I get why you prefer the later to the former, but is there actually an argument for why the later is inherently better than the former. Sure, the later is deeper, but it's art we're talking about here. If some people get the greatest satisfaction from staying on the surface can you really argue against that. Personally I understand where you're coming from cuz I get pleasure from going deep with music but I think that has more to do with my personality and the way my brain works than some inherent truth about "the right way" to listen to music.


The whole "well that's just like your opinion man" thing just annoys me because it's ultimately a meaningless statement that doesn't actually have any sort of practical usage in any sort of argument/debate and doesn't accomplish anything. It also always leads to an endless loop and can't be applied to any sort of linear thought pattern.
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But ultimately this is what it always comes down to. I remember about 10 years ago a friend who is a metalhead and music theorist gave me a very compelling argument for why Burzum is totally overrated. It probably affected the way I listened to Burzum for a week or two, but ultimately the music speaks to me in a way that no theory can trump, so 10 years later its some of my favorite music.

And more to this board, nobody every changes their opinions in any of these arguments, so it ultimately turns into a shit slinging/ pissing contest that finally ends in "well that's just your opinion man" and nobody ever changes their opinion.
 
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