Controversial opinions on metal

[CiG]

I would re-order it differently. Obviously black metal at the very bottom is more due to personal spite than anything logical.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Only prefixed black metal. I put actual black metal over even prog metal, and I consider myself a fan of prog metal.

 

[The Butt]

You're saying folk/black is less metal than metalcore or nu metal, which is wrong.

 

[CiG]

Yeah how did you even reach that conclusion, considering metalcore is a form of hardcore music, not metal. Is it because it has the word "metal" in it or something?

Edit:

Only prefixed black metal. I put actual black metal over even prog metal, and I consider myself a fan of prog metal.

My bad. I misread your original post. Prefixed as in second wave styled black metal, right?

 

[The Butt]

Yeah how did you even reach that conclusion, considering metalcore is a form of hardcore music, not metal. Is it because it has the word "metal" in it or something?

No it's because folk/black has black in it, ldo.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Yeah how did you even reach that conclusion, considering metalcore is a form of hardcore music, not metal. Is it because it has the word "metal" in it or something?

Metalcore is not only a form of hardcore music.



That song above is full of metal riffs. More metal riffs than what a lot of nowadays black metal plays.

 

[CiG]

So I think you should separate metalcore into prefixed and non-prefixed in that case.

 

[The Butt]

That song above is full of metal riffs. More metal riffs than what a lot of nowadays black metal plays.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm fine with that, I was trying to be non-confrontational because if I lumped all black metal together it would have come out much lower. If you want a more thorough breakdown...

Trad metal = trad/power metal = epic doom metal = trad doom metal = speed metal = trad/power metal that is progressive
Euro-power proper = first-wave black metal = Bay Area thrash = death/thrash = OSDM (and all tech variants thereof)
Groove metal = thrashy Gothernburg melodeath = overtly melodic Gothenburg melodeath = Gothenburg-derived metalcore = crossover thrash
Stoner doom = NYHC-derived metalcore
Second-wave Norwegian black metal proper
The average pre-Dream Theater prog metal
The average post-Dream Theater prog metal
Funeral doom, plus probably other shit I don't care about that I'm forgetting
Alternative metal = nu metal
Stoner rock = grunge = hard rock
Goth metal = folk metal = symphonic black metal
Metalcore that isn't remotely metal
Depressive suicidal black metal
Black ambient

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Point out the riffs that you deem not metal in that song and explain why.

 

[CiG]

I'm fine with that, I was trying to be non-confrontational because if I lumped all black metal together it would have come out much lower. If you want a more thorough breakdown...

Trad metal = trad/power metal = epic doom metal = trad doom metal = speed metal = trad/power metal that is progressive
Euro-power proper = first-wave black metal = Bay Area thrash = death/thrash = OSDM (and all tech variants thereof)
Groove metal = thrashy Gothernburg melodeath = overtly melodic Gothenburg melodeath = Gothenburg-derived metalcore = crossover thrash
Stoner doom = NYHC-derived metalcore
Second-wave Norwegian black metal proper
The average pre-Dream Theater prog metal
The average post-Dream Theater prog metal
Funeral doom, plus probably other shit I don't care about that I'm forgetting
Alternative metal = nu metal
Stoner rock = grunge = hard rock
Goth metal = folk metal = symphonic black metal
Metalcore that isn't remotely metal
Depressive suicidal black metal
Black ambient

In all honesty I have no problem with this.

Fuck DSBM.

 

[arg]

brutal death, slam death, deathcore and grindcore are missing

 

[The Butt]

Point out the riffs that you deem not metal in that song and explain why.

I didn't laugh because it wasn't metal, I laughed because it was bad.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Nice opinion, too bad it's irrelevant to this highly rigorous analysis of metal sub-genres by metalness.

brutal death, slam death, deathcore and grindcore are missing

I guess all of those would be on tiers two or three.

EDIT: I forgot flower metal too, some of which would be goth/folk metal tier, others would be maybe as high as tier three.

 

[no country for old wainds]

Nice opinion, too bad it's irrelevant to this highly rigorous analysis of metal sub-genres by metalness.

the single most GMD sentence i've ever read

 

[CiG]

Grindcore isn't metal.

 

[The Butt]

Nice opinion, too bad it's irrelevant to this highly rigorous analysis of metal sub-genres by metalness.

Again, I wasn't commenting on its metalness, I commented because it was terrible. It was a minor tangent.

 

[Burzum_Maiden]

Grindcore isn't metal.

Agreed. Not to say it's bad but it's got a lot more punk influence in my opinion. Although I suppose it's a melting pot of genres such as industrial, noise, thrash metal and hardcore punk/crust punk. Some bands definitely lean more towards metal than punk, but maybe that's where the deathgrind label comes in. Maybe it's neither, maybe grindcore is a genre of it's own?
HOWEVER I'd put it on the list because it's still had a huge influence on the metal genre, and so many people see it as metal that you might as well.

 

[ProphetofHatred]

Grindcore to me is hardcore punk on steroids. That's what it always has sounded like to me. How someone who likes metal or hardcore punk doesn't like grindcore is beyond me though.

 

[Burzum_Maiden]

Grindcore to me is hardcore punk on steroids. That's what it always has sounded like to me. How someone who likes metal or hardcore punk doesn't like grindcore is beyond me though.

I guess grindcore kind of blends the lines a bit. It's a bit of everything that's extreme really. I agree with you that it's like a more aggressive form of hardcore, but I can see why people say otherwise.