Controversial opinions on metal

[Satanstoenail]

Disingenuous comparison, it's as watered down as Shook Me All Night Long is but both tracks are hardly representative of how they sounded on their best/earliest records.

Yeah fair enough. Shook Me All Night Long is at least still a hard rock song though.

 

[CiG]

Yeah fair enough. Shook Me All Night Long is at least still a hard rock song though.

Sorta kinda.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

AC/DC never wrote anything as metal as this either though so who cares

 

[Internally Deformed]

I wouldn't think it would be a controversial thing to say at all I mean I can get why many disagree on Rush but songs like Speed King and Blood sucker still feel savage as fuck.

I probably wouldn't classify them as heavy metal myself, but it's a bit of a grey area. At any rate, they had a massive influence on bands that definitely are heavy metal, so classifying them as metal isn't heretical in the same way defending a bands like Kiss evidently is.

 

[EspaDa]

either band suck

 

[The Butt]

Rush rules, faggots. Could do without the singing but the songs themselves are fucking mint.

 

[Vilden]

This hard rock talk is off topic i this thread.

Controversial opinion: Gamma Ray is just as much metal and just as ballsy as uspm like Ample Destruction or whatever.

 

[alex76]

All hard rock acts mentioned here are fucking killer. Their classifications are largely irrelevant. Gamma Ray is very metal even though, if I recall correctly, Kai was trying to get away from the Helloween metal vibe he helped create. Good thing he failed!

Controversial Opinion:

Kai & co. would have done better if he had stayed in Helloween.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Controversial opinion: power metal is only good when it's actually speed metal.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I don't think anyone says that the early Euro power of Helloween, Gamma Ray, Blind Guardian, etc is less metal than USPM. It's just less good. Both forms of power metal represent what is basically the purest form of metal in existence.

Power metal isn't really that much about ballsiness though imo, except bands like Savatage and Tyrant and stuff that are barely power metal anyways. Trad is where the balls are.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I wouldn't think it would be a controversial thing to say at all .

It's not controversial at all. Outside of one or maybe two guys here, i have never heard anyone question whether they are/were heavy metal or not.

Everyone knows how strict MA is when it comes to listing bands that aren't metal...

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Deep_Purple/1178

No Led Zeppelin on MA, to which i agree.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Elend/1017

It isn't really that strict at all.

 

[Baroque]

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Elend/1017

It isn't really that strict at all.

Yep. http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Mötley_Crüe/1025

 

[Internally Deformed]

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Elend/1017

It isn't really that strict at all.

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Lord_Wind/1885

The rule seems to be that if you release something that's verifiably metal then everything else you release is fair game.

 

[Baroque]

http://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Twisted_Sister/4975

This band even calls themselves Rock n' Roll on each of their first 4 albums.

"Bad Boys of Rock n' Roll"
"You Can't Stop Rock n' Roll"
"I Wanna Rock"
"Every Day I Rock n' Roll"

 

[CiG]

Tons of NWOBHM bands had songs referencing rock 'n' roll, that proves nothing.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Yea, that whole rock 'n' roll thing doesn't mean jack.

And re:MA Motley crue ....

You guys should look at the genre description. Its not as black and white as "but look MA says Motley Cure are metal so they're wrong".
Genre:
Heavy/Glam Metal, Hard Rock
I think MA did a pretty good job at pointing out to why they think MC should be included. I personally think they're wrong. I dont consider glam to be metal, so no part of their discog is metal to me. But that's a whole 'nother story on its own.

 

[Baroque]

I agree that Glam is not metal. Should be called Glam Rock

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

yeah, i agree ... but i think there's already some kind of genre called glam rock.

edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glam_rock

 

[CiG]

Yeah, glam rock and glam metal are different. Glam metal, whether you consider it to be genuine or not, is a lot heavier than glam rock.

KISS vs Motley Crue for example.