Controversial opinions on metal

[MrTagoMago]

no, they are thrash metal. Speed metal was and sometimes still is used interchangeably with a lot of early thrash though.


correct. This is something that no one will deny.



Not pure, as the sound was still not fully formed ... but definitely thrash.

This I will agree with 100%.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

yeah , now im convinced that you're fucking mentally handicapped and i wont bother with you anymore after this post. I DID NOT SAY EARLY THRASH IS NOT LIKE NWOBHM. i even fucking told you that early thrash was highly influenced by NWOBHM. What im saying is that EARLY THRASH IS NOT "90% NWOBHM".

here, this might help ...
http://www.merriam-webster.com/

I didn't say that you said that thrash and NWOBHM aren't similar. I asked you to explain what about it is musically different to NWOBHM that makes calling NWOBHM 90% of its sound incorrect since you said that it was. You should click on your own link.

You have yet to tell me even a single thing, a single moment in a song even, that shows that early thrash is not almost entirely based on NWOBHM.

 

[Internally Deformed]

I don't see what the of the music you listen to has to do with your own age. I listen to many artists who were born before my Grandpa. That remark was more aimed at the way you express yourself in a very childish way.

I have this theory that people always like the music that was released around the time they were born the best. Almost all my favourite albums were released either a few years before or after the year I was born. It probably helps that 1991 was a badass year for metal, though - and grunge.

 

[Internally Deformed]

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Seriously, you think this is Thrash?

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

i dont listen to anthrax so that doesn't count. But yea you picked the most speedy sounding debut, thats for sure. But are you saying KIMB, SNM and KEA sound like fucking early Blind Guardian to you?

Your age is pretty irrelevant and I don't get why that keeps being mentioned. I, for one, am around the same age as you.

it was mentioned because a few of you children here thought you were going to give me some kind of a history lesson on thrash. Geez, i guess maybe you do need me to break everything down and spoon feed it to you.

 

[MrTagoMago]

I have this theory that people always like the music that was released around the time they were born the best. Almost all my favourite albums were released either a few years before or after the year I was born. It probably helps that 1991 was a badass year for metal, though - and grunge.

Not true for me at all. I was born in 1991 but that's around where most music starts to lose my interest. There was great stuff at that time and after ofcourse.

 

[no country for old wainds]

this thread is purgatory.

 

[MrTagoMago]

this thread is purgatory.

Tied to the trax.

 

[Internally Deformed]

i dont listen to anthrax so that doesn't count. But yea you picked the most speedy sounding debut, thats for sure. But are you saying KIMB, SNM and KEA sound like fucking early Blind Guardian to you?

Well speed metal is basically just accelerated heavy metal music. So Fistful of Metal sounds a bit like accelerated Priest, whereas Show No Mercy sounds like accelerated Venom, and Battalions of Fear like accelerated Maiden. So yeah, I can see a commonality in their styles from a musical standpoint, even if they don't sound identical (after all, it's not like every thrash band sounds identical).

 

[MrTagoMago]

Uhh ohh! Incoming another controversial opinion on metal! Not only is Reign in blood not the most brutal album of all time it wasn't even the most brutal music at the time of its release.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Uhh ohh! Incoming another controversial opinion on metal! Not only is Reign in blood not the most brutal album of all time it wasn't even the most brutal music at the time of its release.

I'm game - what was more brutal than RIB in 1986?

 

[EspaDa]

Wow, we have some new users. A rarity these days.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

i love your definition of speed metal, same as mine. That is why i have no problem with people tagging/adding "speed metal" to early thrash. But outside of Fistful of Metal(which isnt even a thrash album) none of the other debuts would fall under strictly "speed metal". And SNM def doesn't sound like accelerated Venom to me.

But yeah, Fistful of Metal def has more in common with early Blind Guardian than it does with thrash.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Scream Bloody Gore to name one. Death's early demos the preceding years before that as well.

Scream Bloody Gore came the following year. I doubt Death Metal would have been created without Slayer, although I think Hell Awaits was a bigger influence than RIB.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

edit: yeah, ID beat me to it.

i wouldn't say SBG was/is more ferocious or brutal than RiB. And i absolutely LOVE both albums.

 

[MrTagoMago]

I'm game - what was more brutal than RIB in 1986?

I could name lots of stuff but most of it would depend on your definition of brutal but I think we can all agree on the 1985 demo by Insanity.

 

[Internally Deformed]

I could name lots of stuff but most of it would depend on your definition of brutal but I think we can all agree on the 1985 demo by Insanity.

Pretty cool stuff. Tried looking the band up on MA and got 22 results.

...which country are they from?

 

[no country for old wainds]

i think RiB is a more honed storm of malevolence, SbG is comparatively kind of goofy. i also adore both though.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Reign in Blood was probably the most brutal metal album in 1986, but yeah, there were demos floating around that were earlier. A lot of people overlook the fact that the most influential bands were also usually the ones most involved in the tape trading scene, for good reason: they had earlier access to the cutting-edge, not having to wait a year or longer for things to get formally pressed.

fwiw I think the songs on Reign in Blood were being demoed at the beginning of 1986 too (although Darkness Descends had been written and bootlegged live in 1985 so yeah).

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Pretty cool stuff. Tried looking the band up on MA and got 22 results.

...which country are they from?

They were a Bay Area band.