Controversial opinions on metal

[Baroque]

Thats rather egotistical of you to say, as you run off and try to cut ties with your opinion. Ozzy disagrees with you and Halford, and he wrote it.

I personally dont like heavy metal at all, I prefer blues riff rock bands like Rush and Sabbath. Heavy Metal has no feel and I cant listen to it. Baroque seems fond of displaying other peoples opinions as he has all through this, he cant provide any explanations of his own to explain why he has the opinions he does ( and I am not saying his opinions are necessarily wrong, because subjectively to him / her they are correct). Baroque relies on others for his own opinions. See, you have bands like Napalm Death, they are heavy metal? yes Id say they are. Id say Napalm Death are heavy metal, ( theres that many genres of metal ), would you say Napalm Death are like Sabbath? I would say absolutely not, not in any way. So you have a frequency, analogous to a radio, where one htz ( hertz ) is at the left of the scale and then say 100 htz at the right, and as you tune through you get progressively stronger types of heavy metal. The blues based riffs like Sabbath and Zeppelin and Deep Purple are way down on the left ( because blues scales predominatley) Sabbath are the furthest to the right of the three, and all are pioneers in a sense. Then you go to sort of UFO and Thin Lizzy, Thin Lizzy are definately not heavy metal, Im not siure about UFO but in my opinion they arent heavy metal. Then you get iron maiden , Id say they are metal ( I cant stand them ) and Judas priest are further right, and you can progress into black metal ( that Sabbath influenced ) speed and thrash metal and so on on the far right.

We established early on this is Not a logical debate, it is opinion based. Therefore I presented opinions of well known experts. I agree with those experts on this matter and you are in the minority on this. You have done nothing to show your opinion has any more worth than mine or countless experts on music.

Black Sabbath is only blues based on part of the debut and occasional other songs. They have many non blues based heavy metal songs including Black Sabbath. Judas Priest was blues based on their debut also.

 

[Baroque]

What it means Baroque even though you made some sort of weird declaration to everyone and ran off, what it means my friend is that, according to you, and your links, it means that, and as you have just ironically admitted, it means that although a company can have an award under a certain category, e.g. `heavy metal`, it means that it isnt necessarily so that the people THEY have in it are `heavy metal`. And Id add to that, that Metallica are most certainly `heavy metal` in my opinion. I cant stand them either.

The term `heavy metal` has become so widely used by the media these days as opposed to the late seventies and early 80`s that all types of this kind of music gets lumped under that term.

I'm a human being, I have to sleep. You should too.

 

[rusty water]

I think you guys should just stop entertaining the rantings of this geriatric, obviously mentally challenged, and uninformed rock fan. He thinks heavy metal is studded bracelets, posturing, and music without a blues influence, lmfao.

As for Dickinson, ive always viewed him as a closet homosexual. At the very least his stage show screams flaming homosexual.

Do you like Napalm Death?

I was saying the studded wrist bands and such were the point that Heavy Rock was separated. That was the point that `Heavy Metal` started is why I was describing the clichéd and ubiquitous imagery. This was used as an example to depict some of the nuances of those that followed on from Sabbath.

Ive seen maiden live several times and have all their albums but I have never had any idea or suggestion from anywhere that Dickinson is gay. I cant see where you are getting that idea from.

 

[rusty water]

I'm a human being, I have to sleep. You should too.

I am UK, so its early here. 5 in the evening here dude.

 

[CiG]

I was saying the studded wrist bands and such were the point that Heavy Rock was separated.

So to you, fashion makes the difference?

 

[Baroque]

The difference between myself and posters on here, like yourself, is that I dont have an ego. What I mean by that is you seem to have this thing whereby a discussion becomes like a competition to you and you wont let go when you have been proven wrong in what you say. You turn a discussion into an argument, and sort of need to not lose face or something. You need to stop with the ego. You keep wriggiling and twisting and trying to get at things from different angles. See, I dont argue, I discuss. This post from yourself is the latest attempt at ` ner-ner-ner ` etc lol

Lol, you're trash. Who do you think you are, Buddha? This just makes you have an even bigger ego.

 

[CiG]

Anyway I'm done with this long streak of paralysed piss.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Lol, you're trash. Who do you think you are, Buddha? This just makes you have an even bigger ego.

Seems pretty accurate to me actually.

"The ego is the organized part of the personality structure that includes defensive, perceptual, intellectual-cognitive, and executive functions. Conscious awareness resides in the ego."

 

[rusty water]

So to you, fashion makes the difference?

You still havent got it. no doubt youll return to name calling

 

[rusty water]

Lol, you're trash. Who do you think you are, Buddha? This just makes you have an even bigger ego.

You need to read what I wrote.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Do you like Napalm Death?

I was saying the studded wrist bands and such were the point that Heavy Rock was separated. That was the point that `Heavy Metal` started is why I was describing the clichéd and ubiquitous imagery. This was used as an example to depict some of the nuances of those that followed on from Sabbath.

Ive seen maiden live several times and have all their albums but I have never had any idea or suggestion from anywhere that Dickinson is gay. I cant see where you are getting that idea from.

I like Napalm Death but Carcass were superior.

 

[Internally Deformed]

You still havent got it. no doubt youll return to name calling

In fairness, this is the controversial opinions thread, so the reaction against you may have been a little harsh. If it's any consolation, though, I think your opinion that Black Sabbath aren't a metal band probably wins in terms of the most controversial statement posted so far.

That happens to be because it's stupid, but still.

 

[CiG]

Anyway I'm done with this long streak of paralysed piss.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I think that rusty water needs to just acknowledge that some of the stuff that he said isn't correct. That's my main issue with him. Even after being shown why, he still has yet to actually do so.

 

[rusty water]

Anyway I'm done with this long streak of paralysed piss.

Thinly veiled ` I think I am special`

 

[rusty water]

I think that rusty water needs to just acknowledge that some of the stuff that he said isn't correct. That's my main issue with him. Even after being shown why, he still has yet to actually do so.

I havent posted anything incorrect.

Show me where.... Do we have to go through all this again?

 

[EternalMetal]

Although I disagree with most of what he's said, this is the one part I think has a limited degree of truth to it. As metal has evolved the blues influence has increasingly diminished - it would be pretty difficult to find any parallels with blues at all on your average death or black metal album. It's almost as if blues was a starting point metal had to transition away from in order to discover its true character, although undoubtedly most trad bands are pretty bluesy.

Diminished maybe, but it is still a strong influence in a lot of doom metal (which is probably a more appropriate, non-era-dependant label for Sabbath). My point was that blues-influenced riffs arent particularly a non-metal style of play, like this guy is leading us to believe. Even in some earlier death metal you hear a lot of blues-inspired pentatonic riffing. It may not be as pervasive in the style today, but objectively you cannot exclude a band from being metal just because it is blues influenced.

Do you like Napalm Death?

Yes, so what's your point?

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I havent posted anything incorrect.

Show me where.... Do we have to go through all this again?

You said that the term "heavy metal" was not used in the early 1970s to describe Black Sabbath and other similar bands. That's factually wrong.

You also stated that Tony Iommi and Geezer Butler said that they aren't heavy metal, which never occurred ever or you would be able to document it. There are interviews where both musicians call their music heavy metal.

 

[rusty water]

In fairness, this is the controversial opinions thread, so the reaction against you may have been a little harsh. If it's any consolation, though, I think your opinion that Black Sabbath aren't a metal band probably wins in terms of the most controversial statement posted so far.

That happens to be because it's stupid, but still.

I stand by my opinion that Sabbath are `Heavy Rock`

Id say the most controversial comments in here were when people said Bruce Dickinson is gay

 

[Baroque]

I stand by my opinion that Sabbath are `Heavy Rock`

Id say the most controversial comments in here were when people said Bruce Dickinson is gay

Well his music sucks dick at least