Controversial opinions on metal

[rusty water]

you honestly believe you do not have an ego? honest question

well, I am just having a discussion here and other posters seem to keep on getting agitated and obsessive and arguementative. This is only a metal forum.

 

[MrTagoMago]

I'd definitely include Machine Head(their heaviest album) and Fireball in there also. Burn and Perfect Strangers have pretty good doses of metal too.

Wait how is Machine head heavier than In Rock?

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

@rusty water

Regardless of when later interviews took place, you have provided zero evidence that Iommi and Butler stated that Black Sabbath wasn't heavy metal during the 1970s despite your claims that they did.

 

[rusty water]

I'd definitely include Machine Head(their heaviest album) and Fireball in there also. Burn and Perfect Strangers have pretty good doses of metal too.

There is no metal on `perfect strangers` . You really are pushing the boat out there. Perfect strangers is full of melodies, the riffs are melodic and bluesy.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

@MrTagoMago In just about every possible way, don't get me wrong DPiR is my favorite DP album, but there's really nothing to argue here. Just go listen to both of them back to back. I mean, everyone knows its their heaviest.

 

[Baroque]

well, I am just having a discussion here and other posters seem to keep on getting agitated and obsessive and arguementative. This is only a metal forum.

i don't think you know what an ego is

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I figured out an opinion that might actually be controversial. The original recording lineup of Deep Purple produced my favorite music by them. The most famous lineup isn't as good to me.

 

[rusty water]

@rusty water

Regardless of when later interviews took place, you have provided zero evidence that Iommi and Butler stated that Black Sabbath wasn't heavy metal during the 1970s despite your claims that they did.

I stated that they did, and they did, it is you that has perpetuated it.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Irrelevant to this discussion, but this is an awesome Deep Purple Mk1 song that often gets overlooked:



(can't be bothered searching for the overlooked songs thread)

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I stated that they did, and they did, it is you that has perpetuated it.

Okay. Produce evidence.

 

[rusty water]

i don't think you know what an ego is

Listen we both know we are referring to an `overinflated ego` here. We both know I am referring to someone being arrogant. This is another example of what I am saying. You, here are trying to twist things when we both know what we mean.

 

[rusty water]

Okay. Produce evidence.

Elric, we are going around in circles again.

 

[Baroque]

Listen we both know we are referring to an `overinflated ego` here. We both know I am referring to someone being arrogant. This is another example of what I am saying. You, here are trying to twist things when we both know what we mean.

Then you honestly believe you are not being arrogant?

Before you reply remember You are here as someone who does not like metal, trying to tell a group of metalheads what is metal and what isn't.

 

[CiG]

irrelevant shite? is this a discussion or one of your arguement ego things CASSETTEISGOD?

Oh I thought the Blackmore thing was irrelevant too? you changed your mind? it was in sounds magazine around the time of the rainbow album `difficult to cure` .

Nothing to do with ego. You said heavy metal didn't start until the 80's, I provided proof that a heavy metal album by a band nobody disputes as being heavy metal existed that was released in 1979.

You proceeded to bring up random irrelevant crap about you going to shows of theirs. Who cares? I mean, it's cool, but it doesn't matter.

I figured out an opinion that might actually be controversial. The original recording lineup of Deep Purple produced my favorite music by them. The most famous lineup isn't as good to me.

Actually I think I might agree. Might. You might be a fan of Captain Beyond in that case?

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I could see an argument to say that Black Sabbath weren't a heavy metal band (at least on the early Ozzy albums) and were actually a doom metal band,

lolwat? This post doesn't make sense in more ways than one. So what you're saying is that doom metal outdates the genre of heavy metal? Of course they were a heavy metal band, and their sound of heavy metal was later coined Doom Metal.

And i dont know how someone can listen to Master of Reality, which is one of the heaviest albums of all time and say they're not a heavy metal band. Ridiculous

 

[MrTagoMago]

@MrTagoMago In just about every possible way, don't get me wrong DPiR is my favorite DP album, but there's really nothing to argue here. Just go listen to both of them back to back. I mean, everyone knows its their heaviest.

I wasn't trying to start an argument on it or anything but I always thought In rock was much heavier and more brutal than Machine head. I'll be fair and say it's been a while since I've listened to MH but I don't recall anything as blistering as Speed King or Blood Sucker. I do love Highway Star though.

 

[Internally Deformed]

lolwat? This post doesn't make sense in more ways than one. So what you're saying is that doom metal outdates the genre of heavy metal? Of course they were a metal band, and their sound of heavy metal was later coined Doom Metal.

Yeah, I would say that Doom Metal predates Heavy Metal actually, at least the musical form if not the term.

 

[rusty water]

So far I have given my own opinions on why I think

Then you honestly believe you are not being arrogant?

Before you reply remember You are here as someone who does not like metal, trying to tell a group of metalheads what is metal and what isn't.

What I am saying is, and from the beginning of all this, is that, in my opinion, Black Sabbath arent `heavy metal`. No more, no less. That is my opinion.

 

[MrTagoMago]

lolwat? This post doesn't make sense in more ways than one. So what you're saying is that doom metal outdates the genre of heavy metal? Of course they were a heavy metal band, and their sound of heavy metal was later coined Doom Metal.

And i dont know how someone can listen to Master of Reality, which is one of the heaviest albums of all time and say they're not a heavy metal band. Ridiculous

To be fair being heavy doesn't inherently make you metal but I do agree its silly to argue against MOR being a metal album. I wouldn't say it's one of the heaviest of all time though but arguably the heaviest of its time.

 

[MrTagoMago]

Yeah, I would say that Doom Metal predates Heavy Metal actually, at least the musical form if not the term.

Might should explain yourself better here though I understand what you're getting at and I agree.