Controversial opinions on metal

[Internally Deformed]

Haha!

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

yeah check it out, reminds me of ildjarn

I'm not really into black metal too much but I figure this is some kind of forum in-joke here.

 

[no country for old wainds]

seriously though i think the black album's a half-great album for angsty teens and load is a half-great album for drunk adults, which is a small step up. i certainly wouldn't go as far as recommending reload though, i'm not some kind of monster.

 

[MrTagoMago]

I think that Kill 'em All rules and Ride the Lightning is almost as good. The next two also have some good stuff. I could leave the rest. I've never even bought any of them after ...And Justice for All because nothing grabbed me when listening with friends.

I like some of the songs on it fine but for the most part it either bores me or annoys me. Jump in the fire I just can't stand for some reason.

 

[no country for old wainds]

i used to hate jump in the fire. for some reason it grows perpetually. there isn't a weak song on there IMO (unless you count the instrumental which is meh by metallica standards), but i'm not sure there's a really great one either save 'the four horsemen'.

 

[MrTagoMago]

My issue with stuff like The black album and the two Load's is that it's just too far outside of my musical tastes. I don't really like 90s style rock at all with a few exceptions ofcourse.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I think the energy on Kill 'em All is the best part of the album and what really makes it pop for me. The songs themselves go from good to very good without ever being truly great in songwriting but it's an album where I find it easy to look past that.

 

[MrTagoMago]

i used to hate jump in the fire. for some reason it grows perpetually. there isn't a weak song on there IMO, but i'm not sure there's a really great one either save 'the four horsemen'.

Yeah The four horseman is my fav on that album and tbh I like Seek and Destroy a lot which you wouldn't think I'd care for. It just seems dated as a Thrash album to me like it's only real importance is that it's Metallica's first album and its considered the first Thrash album. I get this feeling if it was released two years later and by a different band it would be seen as generic and forgettable.

 

[no country for old wainds]

My issue with stuff like The black album and the two Load's is that it's just too far outside of my musical tastes. I don't really like 90s style rock at all with a few exceptions ofcourse.

i'm totally cool with that. i just don't get why people think it's such a bad example of what it's trying to be - it isn't taken on its own terms at all. i'm way more irritated by embarrassing pseudo-thrash like 'the struggle within' and 'holier than thou' than i am by some solid as fuck groove rock that isn't trying to be anything but. it's one of those cases where if people were exposed to the same kind of thing by an unknown band, many of them would be way less harsh on it.

there are actually three strong songs on RELOAD too but.... yeah, it's pretty bad in the main.

 

[CiG]

I like how this place dies after all that arguing over Sabbath being metal ends.

That argument itself is what killed it, not the ending of it.

Manilla Road do have some really awesome albums, but the production on some of them and the vocals put me off from really getting into them the way I'd like to. They do write outstanding riffs, though. The only heavy metal band that beats them on that front is Mercyful Fate.

Production is great on their first 6, which ones did you have in mind?

Not surprised about your feelings about the vocals though, you did after all say that the most listenable song between Piece Of Mind and Powerslave was an instrumental song.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Production is great on their first 6, which ones did you have in mind?

Not surprised about your feelings about the vocals though, you did after all say that the most listenable song between Piece Of Mind and Powerslave was an instrumental song.

Open The Gates in particular - just seems really muddy and far off sounding. Not the worst recording I've ever heard by a long shot, but not worthy of the songwriting, or of a fourth album.

I think it's that warble thing he does with his voice on high notes that annoys me - same reason I can't listen to Grave Digger anymore. I'll get over it though.

 

[CiG]

I'll get over it though.

One should hope so.

I'm going to listen to Open The Gates later, I'll see if I agree.

 

[no country for old wainds]

i found that production job a little inaccessible myself, but it has a certain distinctive charm and i got over it.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

I think that I prefer the sound of Mystification more than any of the others, for production.

 

[rusty water]

Someone said that James Hetfield looks like the `Cowardly Lion` out of the Wizard of Oz

 

[CiG]

Mystification is great, but it's drum sound isn't the best and I often find that drum sounds make or break things for me.

Personally I would have to say that Crystal Logic is their album that got the production right. The Deluge making my close second best.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

<3

 

[CiG]

I love how evil that album actually sounds.

 

[The Butt]

the first half of LOAD is uniformly better than virtually everything on the alternately tryhard/trynothardenough cash-in that is the black album.

I used to actually hate Load, but I've come to the realization lately that if you look at it as a Sabbath-worship album, rather than a Metallica one, it actually has some damn fine moments.

Black Album however, is uniformly shit. No redeeming qualities.

 

[CiG]

I remember not minding "Of Wolf And Man" back in the day.